Thank you Ted!
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Maggies Farm …
“I try my best to be just like I am. But everybody wants you to be just like them
They sing while you slave … And I just get bored”
I don’t get it 
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Bowie just cut out words from newspapers and rearranged them in an artistic way … Like dadaism or something
Chutters, stop down voting anyone that’s not a Bob luvvie.
You like him, as do others, but others are ambivalent or don’t like his music.
As per my earlier post, how did he get a Nobel Prize? It should be about more worthy endeavours rather than a Songsmith who 's banged out a few protest tunes earlier in his career…
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Originally posted by @areloa-grandee
Someone is downvoting on this thread? seriously?
Twat of highest order award to the snivelly coward refusing to show himself…
Come now. Sotonians is actually better than your beloved EU. Yes, we do have an unelected Commission that makes the rare anti-democratic decision (e.g. the decision to remove account deletion as an option to users), but in general, the entire community takes the EU Commission’s role as agenda setters, doubling up as a Parliament that gets to yay or nay contributions.
Given your personal sense of loss of the EU’s structures in our lives, I am therefore surprised to see our new and improved form so readily dismissed
Taking on a more serious note, I personally think downvotes ought to be used for stuff that’s unacceptable, and replies should be used for dissent, but it’s not something I would enforce.
In the context of this thread, I really don’t get the opening downvote, but I can see why you attracted three downvotes on this little fella. I think you were fair on the first bit, harsh on the second.
But fuck it, passion is just as valuable around here. Accept two upvotes in solidarity from someone else that’s occasionally harsh too.
Originally posted by @Fowllyd
One of my all-time heroes, so I naturally think it’s massively well deserved.
I obviously know a lot of Dylan through osmosis. He’s that big.
Only album I’ve listened to his is Modern Times. I love Nettie Moore from that. Superb example of why he’s getting the literature prize.
Try reading some of what was said by the Nobel jury about why they chose him, perhaps? It’s not about whether or not you like his music; it’s his literary contribution that’s being rewarded, and that over more than half a century, not just a few years in the 1960s. Essentially, his work is being regarded as poetry here, and his contrbution to literature is what’s being rewarded.
For a few more opinions on the award and why it’s well deserved, try reading this article. And, purely out of interest of course, what’s your view on Mo Yan? Or Svetlana Alexievich? How well-deserved were their Nobel awards?
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“I obviously know a lot of Dylan through osmosis. He’s that big.”
What does that mean? sorry 
Tons of bands have covered his songs. I’ve probably heard Dylan that I don’t know is Dylan.
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That’s true, and understand what your saying 
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Richard Burton as Dylan Thomas
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Thats Nobel winning there.
I have not downvoted anyone for not liking his music. That is a personal choice, but some forget that its impossible not to respect his body of work because if you have any knowledge of the origins of song, you will see that lyrics are an equally valid literary form. Song began as a way to capture, history, stories, emotions before people could write… the fact that folk traditions were more prevalent amongst the poorer classes is precisely because such stories could not be handed down in any other way. Dylan’s main contribution was to take that traditional use of poetic folk lyric, add in a dose of misery from the early Blues singers and subsequent political voices such as Guthrie and bridge the gap to modern youth and contemporary culture.
He used it to document not the past but the present in songs and lyrics that became iconic of the 60s generation. His influence is vast and you would struggle to find any artist in the music industry (perhaps excluding the vaccuous teeny pop shit) who has not been influenced by or respects Dylan’s work.
Its also alittle sad that just because he is a known popular name, some folks question the validity of the selection. How many on here, without looking it up on google, even know who won the Nobel lit prize last year, or could name 10 winners? How many of you have read any Heinrich Boll? Gunter Grass? Octavio Paz? (I had to look him up) - Even Dario Fo would died yesterday was really only commonly known for his most famous play… and what of Seamus Heaney, a poet?
The point is that most folks dont give a shit, but I doubt there are any previous winners who would not acknolwedge that Dylan is not a worthy choice - over 50 years of writing and influence.
But I did not down vote anyone for not getting that either - I downvoted a few posts in traditional angry retaliation (which I have now more than addressed the balance through the upvotes despite not agreeing with the content of the posts) at the idiocy of downvoting a song lyric - as opposed to just posting why they disagree with the award or why the lyric does not work for them - its just so lazy and cowardly not to at least acknowledge why someone felt so strongly that it deserved to be downvoted… Folks should have the balls to say when and why they downvoted IMHO.
So some got caught in the wrath of Ferret - call it collateral damage…
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Sadly, they are still there… and whilst your comment was so ‘obviously’ in jest, it is, I feel necessary to correct you - I doubt there is anyone who will lament the loss of all the various ‘EU structures’ - there will however be some we regret not putting up with at some point in time… no, there are some who will perhaps feel the economic impact more than most and whilsts its big corporations and their shareholder profits, who cares right?.. I suggest that those whose jobs do become surplus to requirements with a potential downturn might beg to differ, but in our new socialist uptopia, free from the shackles of EU laws, autocracy and waste we are sure to make sure we safeguard against their potential ruin. The slight flaw in this cunning-Baldrick-of-a-plan is of course the resultant and very visual lurch to the right… it was predicted, inevitable and fucking shameful. From increases in attacks on minorities, to jokes of killing immigrants… I just dont like what this country has become… driven by 350million lies and a desire to keep the country free of foreigners… but anyway there is another thread for that, so back on track
But on a more serious note… downvoting for disent was thepoint of my angry rant and subsequent scatter gun approach - I happen to also believe that downvotes should be reserved for nasty or ‘rule-breaking content’ and when I am nasty, I am fair game and no complaints from me… but downvoting a song lyric on a Dylan thread?
… also when I down vote, I admit it and will also explain why - which I think is fair… the anonimity in downvoting leads to this IMHO and I think it is cowadly not to face up and give your reasons.
Someone thinks I am a fucktard and my opinion is shit? write it down, post it and lets go head to head and enjoy the debate… but downvote is silence? Twats 
Cobham, Ted - have upvoted you guys to counter the nasty angry downvotes of yesterday.
There are however at least 4 posters who have down voted without any explanation… this is twatish imho
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Thank you Chutters
Let’s agree to disagree
I still don’t get the Bobster tbh 
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…as an aside, I think it is also pretty cool that the Nobel committee have not just kept this prize for the ‘intellectual elite’ - I wonder how many people on the planet could quote a line from a Heinrich Boll novel in German (I can because studied at School ) - but i suspect that globally there are a couple of Billion at least who could quote a Dylan line in English, even if they dont know its Dylan… The answer is blowin’ in the wind
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Disagreement is cool - but would suggest you dont need to ‘get’ the Zimmer(framed)man to understand why he has been awarded the prize because its not about liking his music, his ‘interesting voice’ or his ‘lyrics’ … if I read al the work of all the previous winners, I would also probably question why anyone would like and want to read some of it or even its literary merit.
My praise for his songs is more personal, as someone who has like many had youthful (misguided)flirtations with bands and songwriting, Dylan is a complete bastard… someone who can nail it whether its a protest, a lament or a ‘simple’ lovesong full of wistful melancholy and viscious sting at the same time… so inevitably he becomes quite an influence, even to those who may not like his music.
I think the challenge here is the need to separate an appreciation or not for his music v what he actually got the prize for, which is the huge body of poetic work that has influenced countless writers, lyricists and has even impacted on political motivation of youth… in that respect it is no different to what Dario Fo was looking to achieve through his plays such as ‘Accidental death of an anachist’, or Heinrich Boll with his anti-heros and critique of war.
This might sound like a load of psudo intellectual bollocks, but I honestly think that is why he is a worthy recipient.
Downvoted? 
hilarious…