Brexit - The Ramifications

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Sadoldgit posted this 25 June 2016 - Last edited 15 July 2016

So France have already started making noises about our moving our border controls out of France and back here. Instead of stopping the pesky migrants at Calais we will have to deal with them here again. Good start 😕

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PhilippineSaint posted this 25 June 2016

If the French had sorted the problem at the source of Immigration it wouldnt be a problem in Calais. so why try and blame something that the French or other Europeans countries should have already done on people that voted for Brexit.

Smiler posted this 25 June 2016

So, at what point under the channel does the tunnel cross from British to French territory? Are we going to set up a border patrol point there, or is it now going to be a chock a block full of people trying to get in or out of either country?

Everyone has gone fucking mental.

 

This just a statement/fact, and not an excuse for a rant. I didn't vote as, apart from the fact I now live at the other end of the world, I didn't feel well enough informed to pass judgement (I don't consider basing my opinion on who can scare me the most to be a valid one).

European countries that are not part of the European Union include Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Albania, Switzerland, Turkey, Russia, Macedonia and Montenegro. Of these, two countries, Russia and Turkey, straddle Europe and Asia

Why aren't they all "on the brink of bankruptcy" as it appears the UK is?

Is it because we have been completely fucked over by our own government over the past God knows how long and have been hiding their inadequacies behind our membership of the EU?

 

Please feel free to "educate" me, but if you feel the need to continue the trend of insulting the poster rather than giving a considered answer (ie not a "rant"), then I won't read past the point of the first insult :)

 

PhilippineSaint posted this 25 June 2016

I believe you are right Smiler, and both of us living at the other end of the world as you put it does give us a different perspective on what they are doing at home or not doing as the case may be.

BTripz posted this 25 June 2016

Smiler and Phil, don't get me wrong there are unknowns about Brexit but I still think project fear is in full swing trying to make those that voted leave feel guilty for some reason.

We still have 2 years plus before we even start to extricate ourselves from the EU, until that point we and France are still bound by EU laws and regulations. 

Short term financial loss was caused by the stock markets, people gambling with our money again, they are the cause of the instability!!

Goatboy posted this 25 June 2016

Originally posted by BTripz

Smiler and Phil, don't get me wrong there are unknowns about Brexit but I still think project fear is in full swing trying to make those that voted leave feel guilty for some reason.

We still have 2 years plus before we even start to extricate ourselves from the EU, until that point we and France are still bound by EU laws and regulations. 

Short term financial loss was caused by the stock markets, people gambling with our money again, they are the cause of the instability!!

 I think it's now Profect Grief.

hoofinruth posted this 25 June 2016 - Last edited 25 June 2016

Interesting to see that some untruths are being unmasked.

For example, Outers are now saying 'hold on - we can't say for sure that squillions are now going to be spent on the NHS'

For example, UKIP are saying that Obama says we will continue to have a special relationship whereas, in fact, he's said we'll still be 'at the back of the queue'

For example, Daniel Hannan (?) arch outer saying immigration won't be controllable any more than it is now

Many people that voted out are now very angry that they've been misled

Sadoldgit posted this 25 June 2016

Originally posted by PhilippineSaint

If the French had sorted the problem at the source of Immigration it wouldnt be a problem in Calais. so why try and blame something that the French or other Europeans countries should have already done on people that voted for Brexit.

 All I am saying is that because of Brexit we will, if the French go back in the agreement we signed in 2003 to have our border controls on their land (and theirs on ours) no longer have the luxury of control in France. This will be as a direct result of Brexit if it does go ahead so yes, if blame is apportioned then Brexit is responsible.

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Sadoldgit posted this 25 June 2016

Originally posted by BTripz

Smiler and Phil, don't get me wrong there are unknowns about Brexit but I still think project fear is in full swing trying to make those that voted leave feel guilty for some reason.

We still have 2 years plus before we even start to extricate ourselves from the EU, until that point we and France are still bound by EU laws and regulations. 

Short term financial loss was caused by the stock markets, people gambling with our money again, they are the cause of the instability!!

 We signed a separate agreement with France re where our border controls are located so it is between us and them, and not the EU in this instance. As for the rest, well until Article 50 is triggered and negotiations are concluded, it will take some time before were are out. I have seen it said it could take up to 10 years before were are fully up and running as a non EU country.

Kingdom Come posted this 25 June 2016

Will the UK crumble into an indebted heap, begging any country we can find to buy sport socks 2 ferra pound? No

Will we no longer be able to travel abroad because the pound will get you half a cent, but only if you know the right people? No

Will we have a land of milk and honey where everyone has 24 hour access to their own private doctor who will readily prescribe free drugs on a whim? No

Will the UK now have significantly less political power? Have we voted ourselves off the top table of worldwide influence in favour of a backseat at the level of new zealand or iceland? Yes.

The world will not end, life will go on more or less as is, but we will not be anywhere near as in control as we were.

pap posted this 25 June 2016

That's in the bubble thinking.

The UK is a military vassal state of the US and was an economic vassal state of the EU, itself prosecuting a full on neo-liberal agenda.

That has changed.

I see our place in the world as the preeminent soft power.  We can do that far more easily if we're not a vassal state.

Rallyboy posted this 25 June 2016 - Last edited 25 June 2016

The border issue with France was predicted and flagged up before the vote - why detain people in a transit camp when they want to leave your country?

The difficulty of negotiating new trade agreements was also clearly explained.

As an example, Switzerland started negotiating their relationship outside the EU in 1972.

The initial talks lasted 27 years.

After 32 years they agreed on further issues but their non-participation in the bureaucracy of Europe is still being negotiated....44 years later - and is currently managed through a network of 15 independent committees.

But this isn't news, this was all known in advance.

It's the future we have voted for. 

 

PhilippineSaint posted this 25 June 2016

Originally posted by Rallyboy

The border issue with France was predicted and flagged up before the vote - why detain people in a transit camp when they want to leave your country?

The difficulty of negotiating new trade agreements were also clearly explained.

As an example, Switzerland started negotiating their relationship outside the EU in 1972.

The initial talks lasted 27 years.

After 32 years they agreed on further issues but their non-participation in the bureaucracy of Europe is still being negotiated....44 years later - and is currently managed through a network of 15 independent committees.

But this isn't news, this was all known in advance.

It's the future we have voted for. 

 

Excuse me, it's the future the people that voted, voted for. 

 

I am only putting my sixppennyworth in because the bastards wouldnt allow me to vote due to time restrictions on being out of the UK.

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Sotonist posted this 25 June 2016

Originally posted by Kingdom Come

Will the UK now have significantly less political power? Have we voted ourselves off the top table of worldwide influence in favour of a backseat at the level of new zealand or iceland? Yes.

We're Moshiri. We've sold out our minority interest in Arsenal where the majority shareholders controlled our interests and we've bought our own club.

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Barry Sanchez posted this 25 June 2016

The Calais problem isn't one at all, we can send them back to France as its deemed safe. Would France want to advertise to be in essence a migrant motorway, will they form an orderly queue or do they adhere to European law and register them? I don't know the ins and outs, but if push comes to shove we'll contain a border. We done it pretty much in the troubles in Northern Ireland and we could easily do it again.

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Rallyboy posted this 25 June 2016

Well that's the migrant crisis sorted.

That was easier than I expected.

 

pap posted this 25 June 2016 - Last edited 25 June 2016

Remainers be like:-

pre-poll

Vote Love!

post-poll

we hate 17 million of our compatriots.

Rallyboy posted this 25 June 2016

Boris Johnson promised to put £350m a week into the NHS so that's sorted too.

I'm not sure what I was worried about, everything looks much better! laughing

As long as you don't own a property, work for a big company, or have a pension or savings. 

 

Goatboy posted this 25 June 2016

Originally posted by Rallyboy

Boris Johnson promised to put £350m a week into the NHS so that's sorted too.

I'm not sure what I was worried about, everything looks much better! laughing

As long as you don't own a property, work for a big company, or have a pension or savings. 

 

 Works for me thenlou_lol

Sotonist posted this 25 June 2016 - Last edited 25 June 2016

The brexit bus was equivocal, but this poster was probably misleading

 

I don't know if boris intends to deliver on that, but it doesn't seem sensible to have promised all of that to the NHS.

 

edit: certianly and probably? lol

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