All I am saying is that because of Brexit we will, if the French go back in the agreement we signed in 2003 to have our border controls on their land (and theirs on ours) no longer have the luxury of control in France. This will be as a direct result of Brexit if it does go ahead so yes, if blame is apportioned then Brexit is responsible.
We signed a separate agreement with France re where our border controls are located so it is between us and them, and not the EU in this instance. As for the rest, well until Article 50 is triggered and negotiations are concluded, it will take some time before were are out. I have seen it said it could take up to 10 years before were are fully up and running as a non EU country.
Will the UK crumble into an indebted heap, begging any country we can find to buy sport socks 2 ferra pound? No
Will we no longer be able to travel abroad because the pound will get you half a cent, but only if you know the right people? No
Will we have a land of milk and honey where everyone has 24 hour access to their own private doctor who will readily prescribe free drugs on a whim? No
Will the UK now have significantly less political power? Have we voted ourselves off the top table of worldwide influence in favour of a backseat at the level of new zealand or iceland? Yes.
The world will not end, life will go on more or less as is, but we will not be anywhere near as in control as we were.
That’s in the bubble thinking.
The UK is a military vassal state of the US and was an economic vassal state of the EU, itself prosecuting a full on neo-liberal agenda.
That has changed.
I see our place in the world as the preeminent soft power. We can do that far more easily if we’re not a vassal state.
The border issue with France was predicted and flagged up before the vote - why detain people in a transit camp when they want to leave your country?
The difficulty of negotiating new trade agreements was also clearly explained.
As an example, Switzerland started negotiating their relationship outside the EU in 1972.
The initial talks lasted 27 years.
After 32 years they agreed on further issues but their non-participation in the bureaucracy of Europe is still being negotiated…44 years later - and is currently managed through a network of 15 independent committees.
But this isn’t news, this was all known in advance.
It’s the future we have voted for.
Originally posted by @Rallyboy
The border issue with France was predicted and flagged up before the vote - why detain people in a transit camp when they want to leave your country?
The difficulty of negotiating new trade agreements were also clearly explained.
As an example, Switzerland started negotiating their relationship outside the EU in 1972.
The initial talks lasted 27 years.
After 32 years they agreed on further issues but their non-participation in the bureaucracy of Europe is still being negotiated…44 years later - and is currently managed through a network of 15 independent committees.
But this isn’t news, this was all known in advance.
**It’s the future we have voted for. **
Excuse me, it’s the future the people that voted, voted for.
I am only putting my sixppennyworth in because the bastards wouldnt allow me to vote due to time restrictions on being out of the UK.
Originally posted by @Kingdom-Come
Will the UK now have significantly less political power? Have we voted ourselves off the top table of worldwide influence in favour of a backseat at the level of new zealand or iceland? Yes.
We’re Moshiri. We’ve sold out our minority interest in Arsenal where the majority shareholders controlled our interests and we’ve bought our own club.
The Calais problem isn’t one at all, we can send them back to France as its deemed safe.
Would France want to advertise to be in essence a migrant motorway, will they form an orderly queue or do they adhere to European law and register them? I don’t know the ins and outs, but if push comes to shove we’ll contain a border.
We done it pretty much in the troubles in Northern Ireland and we could easily do it again.
Well that’s the migrant crisis sorted.
That was easier than I expected.
Remainers be like:-
pre-poll
Vote Love!
post-poll
we hate 17 million of our compatriots.
Boris Johnson promised to put £350m a week into the NHS so that’s sorted too.
I’m not sure what I was worried about, everything looks much better! 
As long as you don’t own a property, work for a big company, or have a pension or savings.
Works for me then 
The brexit bus was equivocal, but this poster was probably misleading
I don’t know if boris intends to deliver on that, but it doesn’t seem sensible to have promised all of that to the NHS.
edit: certianly and probably? lol
I didn’t listen to one single Referendum Speech or discussion. Why? Because I looked at those politicians taking part and asked myself, “Is there anyone on either side I trust to tell me the truth” The answer every time was NO.
So I took it upon myself to source online all the independent information I could find about the major issues involved and read all I could. We all carry into a discussion pre-conceived ideas but I tried to set them aside.
At the end of the campaign the answer was very clear for me and I put my X in the appropriate box.
Fact/fear…conjecture/lies…no way to conduct an important Referendum. Truth will always rise to the surface…often it is too late.
The minute they said trade would end or the NHS would get £350m was when I stopped listening to the assholes. As for the debates, six egotistical twats bickering like kids in a schoolyard? No thanks.
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My biggest fear is around free movement and education. My lad had been looking at going to uni in Holland as the course he wants to do is taught there in English and the fees/costs are a mere fraction of the same in the UK.
Once our membership is over that door closes for him as it’s for EU members only.
As for free movement, we plan to buy a house on the mainland once the kids have finished uni and being a non-EU citizen MAY make that more difficult.
Let’s just hope that whoever is sat around the table thrashing out a deal get the best one possible for the UK but I think there is little doubt that the EU will play serious hardball.
I’m not so sure the EU will play hardball - a lot may depend on whether other nations are also sick of the EU in its current format. I hear there is talk from several other countries about having their own referendum. Although the current outlook may appear bleak for the UK, there is no doubt this will have shaken up the powers to be in the EU. Hopefully some of their perceived arrogance will not be so obvious in the future, and that they may think twice before adopting some of their “bully boy” tactics (well, that’s how it appears to me from afar).
I also noticed that there is a petition going around for the UK to have a 2nd referendum, as there was a clause in the original that related to % of voters/voting that failed to be reached? Apparently it needs 100,000 signatures before it can b debated in Parliament. Last time I checked it had already exceeded 1 million. 