Sometimes?!!
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Didn’t know where to put this (Brexit or Tories in trouble) but Macron is currently sucking American cock whilst addressing a joint session of the US congress.
He’s going down a storm and looks like he’s stepping up to offer continuity of relationship with the EU.
He’s smart and speaks well and he’s willing to kiss Trump’s arse as well as his face.
But he’s also waving a socialist and green flag. Fair play.
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Hopefully this will stop, always said its a race to drive down the wokers wage.
Not quite sure what this has to do with Brexit.
its been going on for years now. There was a panorama programme about it just the other day.
On panorama, also watching the dirty money£90 billion approx London takes in from illegal practices a year, send the money off to Frankfurt, washing Ukranian gangsters moneys, Chelsea and Kinghtsbridge are the UK’s headquarters of laundered money. London sponges off the UK and then takes in dirty money, you couldn’t make it up.
McMaffia says differently.
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I don’t know what value this has after the shocking revelation that @bathsaint married a racist’s sister (which of course, is decisive in a way the treatment of Greece just wasn’t).
Still, if there is anything I have learned from the Remain camp, its not to give up. Take this highly articulate interview as an example.
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Gammon
Now that’s an interesting term
Here you go!
Have we learned anything, though? It certainly doesn’t appear that way in the case of Remain campaigners, still fighting a battle they don’t realise they lost with the same tools they lost with last time.
Insulting their political opponents was a day zero attack, one that continues to this day. I applaud the originator for adding some much needed variety, and for choosing a popular foodstuff instead of a political demagogue, but it’s just more of the same, init?
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Are we allowed to talk about George Soros spending millions on trying to subvert the democratic process in this country, or is pointing that out all antisemitic dog whistle or whatever?
Also, can we talk about Italy? They were on the brink of going to the polls again because the Italian president refused to have an anti EU minister in the mix.
“Fortunately”, a deal has been struck between two populist parties, the markets have been becalmed, at the small cost of having a far right Interior minister hellbent on forcibly deporting half a million migrants.
Do you still miss your wonderful EU?
We will miss it when we have left. Whenever and however that is.
Italy has had a history of some dodgy politicians. In the EU and out. Like a lot of countries.
The anti EU minister is still in the mix. He’s the EU minister. Perfect job for him.
Lega Nord have been around a long time (about 1989). I remember studying them at uni mid 90s. Awful bunch of people who don’t really like anything South of Venice.
Salvini wants to deport undocumented migrants. That’s again what most countries want to do. Whether any of them actually are successful in doing so is another matter.
Not sure about the other chap you mention.
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Hey Pap, Who has by proxy funded right wing and extremism? In Europe and elsewhere? Who benefits from a weak Europe. Putin isn’t a socialist, he’s apolitical, the line between politics, money an power is so blurred
Same old tricks, though Nik.
This is not even the first time that the EU has attempted to meddle in Italy. It imposed a technocratic government on Italy, and effectively dismissed the Greek people when they decided they might want debts they could actually pay.
Now I know that most Remainers think of the EU as vaguely beneficial, even if they cannot articulate why. One of the most frequent claims is that the EU kept the peace, even though the Treaty of Vienna did better without the need for political union. After the defeat of Napoleon, it was 99 years before Europe saw a general war.
Personally, all I think the EU will achieve long-term is to create the sort of nationalism that has led to general calamity in the past.
We’ve been lucky. The worst we’ve had are wankers like Nick Griffin or Tommy Robinson, easily dismissable on the “quality” of their arguments, nowhere near anywhere they can do official damage.
The far right are in Parliament, in government and now in ministerial posts in Italy. British voters have no power to change this, but they do not have to be politically unified with them either.
Well I suppose we have funded it. All of these extreme right wing parties are using the EU as something they rail against. The tragedy is that the EU has given them plenty of legitimate beefs to cook up for the public.
We’re a net contributor. Our tax money has gone into funding an undemocratic thrust by an unelected executive.
The EU hasn’t solved war. Hasn’t solved the scourge of extremist nationalism. When historians pick over its bones, they’ll say that it planted the seeds for more of the same.
Yep pretty horrific they are in government. From those I spoke to in Italy didn’t think that Lega would break with Forza. But they have. Will the union of MS5 and Lega last long as they have little in common. Have many Italian governments lasted long? I suppose we can hope this one wont last long.
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