:brexit: Brexit - The Ramifications

No disrespect Tokes but is that a google translate from Japanese?

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I think he must have managed to get on @bearsy 's pre-stag stag @areloa-grandee .

Should he be posting on the WSPOAFN thread?

I’m not sure why so many people feel qualified to tell me how to post.

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I think he’s saying that he’s a medical expert and that pap is going to be ok health-wise, unless tokes kills him first.

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*BITES LIP WAY TOO HARD REMEMBERING LAST OUTBURST AND PROMISE NOT TO BE NASTY AGAIN*

Fuck me, this is hard!

Pap you will be fine and you know it. Don’t be continue to be a knob because of something that generally has little influence on life expectancy! This ain’t X factor. You will be fine pencil dic.

Toke, Bazza has hacked you.

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I’m a willing target, if it helps.

I’ll even take @pap side if that will make it more realistic.

Feast your eyes on this(was @pap correct all along?).

EU net migration has fallen as fewer EU citizens are arriving, especially those coming to look for work in the UK, and the number leaving has risen - it has now returned to the level seen in 2012," said Nicola White, head of international migration statistics at the ONS.

Will it help solve the housing problem?

Will it fuck(i’ve changed sides, sorry).

"The figures also show that non-EU net migration is now larger than EU net migration, mainly due to the large decrease in EU net migration over the last year. However, migration of both non-EU and EU citizens are still adding to the UK population.

You were hacked about a or two year ago. Company man. :face_with_raised_eyebrow::wink:

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Cheers for that papster. Not everyone’s cup of tea but I quite like Hitchens.

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He at least speaks with a bit of conviction. His time away from the UK, living in Moscow at the time of the changeover, gives him a very interesting perspective, one which is invariably going to include a Moscow point of view.

On present issues, it was an interesting pitch from Corbyn and pals today, something which I think could prove to be an excellent bit of political manoeveuring. The long and short of it is that Corbyn wants _a _customs union in which the EU and the UK collectively set tariffs for goods from other countries.

It puts the cat among several pigeons. The EU can always say no, but not without looking like hypocrites. They’ve been complaining that the UK doesn’t know what it wants, and about the uncertainty that’s creating. Labour have offered a bit of certainty, far more than the Tories.

That certainty is already proving popular with business leaders, another reason this is a decent move. If they like this measure, yet are denied it by the EU, then sympathy with the Union could drop among both businesses and Remainers in general.

If the EU agrees, all hunky dory for Corbyn and Labour too. If they can get an agreement done in principle while being the opposition while the present government can’t, it won’t look great for Theresa May and the Third Stringers.

It feels to me that he wants a piece of the same cake to eat as the tories. Any custom union on the scale we will want is going to come with free movement, ECJ primacy and a restriction on unilateral trade deals - the EU has been consistent about that through out.

I suspect that this is more about short term political opportunism that a viable long term Brexit strategy. They are trying to woo the tory rebels to defeat the government and bring about an election.

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Good to see a bit of pragmatism and grown up behaviour from the leader of the opposition, taking the initiative and highlighting what we all know anyway, that May is totally incapable of doing the job she is paid for. Great to see the right wingers frothing at the mouth too. And of course the ‘wogs begin at Dover’ brigade, who make up the majority of the so called working class brexiters would have been choking on their sausage and chips at Wetherspoons today.

And our esteemed Foreign Secretary is quick off the mark after accusing Corbyn of political opportunitism, by calling for British airstrikes on Syria. Nothing like a good old military campaign as a distraction eh! Maybe we should drop Boris on them, that will surely have the jihadist terrorists we are supporting coming out with their hands up!

Funniest of all though, was the DUP Brexit spokesman, Sammy Wilson accusing Corbyn of “cheap political opportunism”. Haha. From the party who took a 2 billion quid bribe to prop up our pathetic useless government that is a bit rich. Still, at least he can’t be accused of being cheap!

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Customs Union doesn’t come with free movement. That’s the ruled out Single Market.

Plus as I said, the EU might say no, which I suspect it will, which will give Corbyn greater freedom of agency after folk realise the EU aren’t interested in dealing with anybody.

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When did the EU say they aren’t interested in dealing with anybody?

Apologies if I’ve missed something vital, have been away for a few days.

Surely he has done no more that the conservatives. Custom Union / comprehensive free trade deal, both without freedom of move,ent and ECJ primacy? Same thing , different label

Pretty much any time they say something is impossible.

The Conservatives have been banging on about a bespoke deal without specifying what that deal is. We know more about their supposed red lines than what they’re actually looking to get out of it. Nothing they’re asking for solves one of the biggest apparent sticking points, the Irish border issue, which Corbs plan most certainly does.

The EU have made great capital out of the Irish border issue during the negotiating period, trying to pitch themselves as the only people able to be responsible about it.

While I’d certainly have no problem describing the Conservative approach on Ireland as potentially disastrous, Corbs plan for _a _customs union does address the problem of a hard border, and is similar enough to _the _customs union so that the EU cannot claim they don’t understand it, brand it impossible, term it fantasy or some kind of dream they both had.

Their only point of contention would be that they’d have to be a partner in this arrangement, not a rule-maker. They’re not going to look good if they contend that point.