So, at what point under the channel does the tunnel cross from British to French territory? Are we going to set up a border patrol point there, or is it now going to be a chock a block full of people trying to get in or out of either country?
Everyone has gone fucking mental.
This just a statement/fact, and not an excuse for a rant. I didn’t vote as, apart from the fact I now live at the other end of the world, I didn’t feel well enough informed to pass judgement (I don’t consider basing my opinion on who can scare me the most to be a valid one).
European countries that are not part of the European Union include Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Albania, Switzerland, Turkey, Russia, Macedonia and Montenegro. Of these, two countries, Russia and Turkey, straddle Europe and Asia
Why aren’t they all “on the brink of bankruptcy” as it appears the UK is?
Is it because we have been completely fucked over by our own government over the past God knows how long and have been hiding their inadequacies behind our membership of the EU?
Please feel free to “educate” me, but if you feel the need to continue the trend of insulting the poster rather than giving a considered answer (ie not a “rant”), then I won’t read past the point of the first insult
I believe you are right Smiler, and both of us living at the other end of the world as you put it does give us a different perspective on what they are doing at home or not doing as the case may be.
Smiler and Phil, don’t get me wrong there are unknowns about Brexit but I still think project fear is in full swing trying to make those that voted leave feel guilty for some reason.
We still have 2 years plus before we even start to extricate ourselves from the EU, until that point we and France are still bound by EU laws and regulations.
Short term financial loss was caused by the stock markets, people gambling with our money again, they are the cause of the instability!!
Interesting to see that some untruths are being unmasked.
For example, Outers are now saying ‘hold on - we can’t say for sure that squillions are now going to be spent on the NHS’
For example, UKIP are saying that Obama says we will continue to have a special relationship whereas, in fact, he’s said we’ll still be ‘at the back of the queue’
For example, Daniel Hannan (?) arch outer saying immigration won’t be controllable any more than it is now
Many people that voted out are now very angry that they’ve been misled
All I am saying is that because of Brexit we will, if the French go back in the agreement we signed in 2003 to have our border controls on their land (and theirs on ours) no longer have the luxury of control in France. This will be as a direct result of Brexit if it does go ahead so yes, if blame is apportioned then Brexit is responsible.
We signed a separate agreement with France re where our border controls are located so it is between us and them, and not the EU in this instance. As for the rest, well until Article 50 is triggered and negotiations are concluded, it will take some time before were are out. I have seen it said it could take up to 10 years before were are fully up and running as a non EU country.
Will the UK crumble into an indebted heap, begging any country we can find to buy sport socks 2 ferra pound? No
Will we no longer be able to travel abroad because the pound will get you half a cent, but only if you know the right people? No
Will we have a land of milk and honey where everyone has 24 hour access to their own private doctor who will readily prescribe free drugs on a whim? No
Will the UK now have significantly less political power? Have we voted ourselves off the top table of worldwide influence in favour of a backseat at the level of new zealand or iceland? Yes.
The world will not end, life will go on more or less as is, but we will not be anywhere near as in control as we were.
The border issue with France was predicted and flagged up before the vote - why detain people in a transit camp when they want to leave your country?
The difficulty of negotiating new trade agreements was also clearly explained.
As an example, Switzerland started negotiating their relationship outside the EU in 1972.
The initial talks lasted 27 years.
After 32 years they agreed on further issues but their non-participation in the bureaucracy of Europe is still being negotiated…44 years later - and is currently managed through a network of 15 independent committees.
But this isn’t news, this was all known in advance.
The border issue with France was predicted and flagged up before the vote - why detain people in a transit camp when they want to leave your country?
The difficulty of negotiating new trade agreements were also clearly explained.
As an example, Switzerland started negotiating their relationship outside the EU in 1972.
The initial talks lasted 27 years.
After 32 years they agreed on further issues but their non-participation in the bureaucracy of Europe is still being negotiated…44 years later - and is currently managed through a network of 15 independent committees.
But this isn’t news, this was all known in advance.
**It’s the future we have voted for. **
Excuse me, it’s the future the people that voted, voted for.
I am only putting my sixppennyworth in because the bastards wouldnt allow me to vote due to time restrictions on being out of the UK.
Will the UK now have significantly less political power? Have we voted ourselves off the top table of worldwide influence in favour of a backseat at the level of new zealand or iceland? Yes.
We’re Moshiri. We’ve sold out our minority interest in Arsenal where the majority shareholders controlled our interests and we’ve bought our own club.
The Calais problem isn’t one at all, we can send them back to France as its deemed safe.
Would France want to advertise to be in essence a migrant motorway, will they form an orderly queue or do they adhere to European law and register them? I don’t know the ins and outs, but if push comes to shove we’ll contain a border.
We done it pretty much in the troubles in Northern Ireland and we could easily do it again.
I didn’t listen to one single Referendum Speech or discussion. Why? Because I looked at those politicians taking part and asked myself, “Is there anyone on either side I trust to tell me the truth” The answer every time was NO.
So I took it upon myself to source online all the independent information I could find about the major issues involved and read all I could. We all carry into a discussion pre-conceived ideas but I tried to set them aside.
At the end of the campaign the answer was very clear for me and I put my X in the appropriate box.
Fact/fear…conjecture/lies…no way to conduct an important Referendum. Truth will always rise to the surface…often it is too late.
