Can't wait for the clapper propaganda from the Death Star

It really is Barry. Having a heart makes us human. Being human means that we make mistakes. All of us. That includes people at Southampton Football Club. You seem to be unable to deal with that fact that the club you follow are imperfect so perhaps this isnt for you? I would like to apologise for snapping at you last night. I had spent many hours in the pub and drinking on an empty stomach doesnt work well for me. I wasnt following the match so when I saw the final result I was gutted. The last thing you want in that situation is to read one of your infantile rants. Why do you do it? It really doesnt change a thing and only adds more fuel to the fire. Perhaps winding other people up helps you deal with your emotions? Maybe you should try another tact? Life is full of disappointments Barry and it is a measure of us as humans as to how we deal with them. If this is how you handle a football team losing a match, I worry for you being able to deal remotely competantly with more serious life issues.

I think the most shocking thing this thread proves, is that some people still don’t understand how extremely rich business people operate. They are not obliged to be financially benevolent and very few are, so why are some of us so incensed that they haven’t chucked around billions(i won’t mention the fact that they haven’t had a window to spend in yet, even if they wanted to).

So far i have read how our last manager is shit and it’s the players not him that are achieving, but that doesn’t excuse our present manager from being called shit, even though he has apparent lesser players. But not to fear, we have people with the insight to suggest we should have gone for a racist bung merchant, who’s greatest achievement is being manager of a couple of teams that nearly went down, but just scrapped through(that’s because of the players really, as stated above). How did Les ever get the job when the Internet is full of people with the vision to think like this?

I’ll happily bet anyone that thinks we will be in relegation battle come spring. Stump up or shut up. It’s fucking tedious.

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Maybe it is clear to you but I dont think many other Saints fans would agree, even now. It comes to something when Fat Sam is your best option. The football with Puel wasnt always shit. I dont think you would find many Saints fans who would have turned their noses up at 8th and a decent Cup Final at the start of the season. With a Summer transfer window under his belt who knows what Puel could have achieved? Early days but he seems to be doing just fine at Leicester, despite being so dreadfully dull. How do you know that Black is one of the worst coaches in football? Do you ever attend training sessions? How do you know that Ms Leibherr sucked money out of the club to pay her tax bill? How do you know the owners dont give a fuck about the club? Do you attend the board meetings as well as all of the training sessions. You, like Barry, keep trotting out pointless assumptions as if they are facts. The facts we do have are that we are not a super rich club. Through some judicious use of transfer funds we have managed to punch above our weight for a number of seasons. Each season small to medium sized clubs show that you can do it in the short term. Leicester did it big time as Burnley are having a good crack at it this season. Lets see where they both are in two or three seasons time. To consistantly be a top 4 to 6 club it takes a massive investment. As we dont have that kind of financial clout we are reliant on finding affordable (for us) talent. As we know, when we find real talent, be it a player or manager, the bigger clubs come calling. Unless we end up being owned by a super rich benefactor who is happy to throw billions at the club year in year out, we are always going to bounce along, fighting with the rest over the scraps. The Championship is full of clubs like Southampton FC. What gives us the right to think we are entitled to be cemented in the top of the Premiership? Supporters moaned under Puel, under Koeman, under Pochettino, under Adkins, under Pardew. Nothing is ever good enough. Perhaps a season spent battling relegation will restore a bit of balance?

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I dont have any future vision or any insight into football or knowlege of rich business people. I just read the comments of people looking down their noses at some managers just because they are either fat or a Brumie I dont know because the results dont sugesst they are shit. I know nothing of the racist stuff and the bung stuff is down to an inflated ego and boasting through ignorance as far as Im concerned.

With regard to bilionaries I dont trust them just like I dont trust coke dealers. They operate in the same way. What I object to is the reverential praise they get from supporters who they are ripping off.

With regard to Les, heis just a captain Mannering who got lucky. There are plenty of people in the football industry who could do his job. Its not brain surgery for fuck sake. It just takes a knowledge of the industry and a netwrok of contacts very similar to most jobs in the building industry.

What I find tedious is people who find excuses for all those basterds. People who through some form of mistaken faith dont want to ask for more and take the caretakers of the club to task . Doft their cap and go home. Things are never given you always have to take them. The club is a disgrace. The talk of minimum wages for example as far as I have heard that still hasnt been sorted.

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I dont look down my nose because he is fat or because of where he comes from. I look down my nose at him because he is one of the “brown envelope” brigade. If he was so wonderful why has he never been employed by a top club. Everton only ended up with him because he was a last option.

As for Les getting lucky. He did so for many seasons so fair play to him.

I am not finding excuses for people. At the same time I have realistic expectations as to what a club of our size can actually achieve. We have done brilliantly since we climbed our way back into the Premiership. It wasnt going to last forever was it? The writing was on the wall last year and the signs arent wonderful going forward this season but we have new owners and a transfer window coming up so instead of calling for heads and stamping our feet, let’s see what happens eh? The problems will get sorted or they won’t, but either way, life will go on.

As for the club being a disgrace, seriously?

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I strongly object to being gubbed 4 at home to fkn leicester.

I still think Our Club is run the right way though. I don’t think randomly sticking an Allardyce or Pulis over a problem and giving them full control over all your recruitment and everything does you much good in the Long Run.

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Never heard anyone complain about him being fat or talking funny. He is a racist bung merchant though. His points per game at Palace were lower than Pardew, so also shit.

I know nothing of the racist stuff and the bung stuff is down to an inflated ego and boasting through ignorance as far as Im concerned.

This sounds very much like you are making excuses for him. Thought you hated that?

With regard to bilionaries I dont trust them just like I dont trust coke dealers. They operate in the same way. What I object to is the reverential praise they get from supporters who they are ripping off.

Don’t remember anyone on here praising them. Enlighten me*

With regard to Les, heis just a captain Mannering who got lucky. There are plenty of people in the football industry who could do his job. Its not brain surgery for fuck sake. It just takes a knowledge of the industry and a netwrok of contacts very similar to most jobs in the building industry.

How do you work that out? Compare to how the club have done since he arrived.

What I find tedious is people who find excuses for all those basterds. People who through some form of mistaken faith dont want to ask for more and take the caretakers of the club to task . Doft their cap and go home.

Again, some examples of people making excuses please.

Things are never given you always have to take them.

Meaningless sentence.

The club is a disgrace.

A bit of a leap, but i’m willing to listen.

The talk of minimum wages for example as far as I have heard that still hasnt been sorted.

This is a disgrace. Any other reasons?

*unless it’s something i said :lou_smiley:

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You’ll hear no defence of the team from me.

Last night was utter bollocks. An embarrassment. I left at half-time and I don’t give a fuck if I’m judged for that.

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No judgement from me Papster, we all know you only go on the off chance of a free medium pepperoni :lou_wink_2:

You don’t hear from Bazza and NewYorkSaint for weeks and then, along comes a shocking result and, hey hey!, there they are with their tedious moaning. I reckon they’re weird masochists who get off in wallowing in defeat and complaining about how the club is run.

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You sound like a teacher, My reply to your observations are:

  1. Bolloxs (no humor)

  2. True

  3. Double Bollox

  4. Bollox

5 Double Bollox

  1. Partially true

  2. Small Bollox

  3. Bollox

Well actually was it?

Ah, found the article I was looking for

SOUTHAMPTON FC has denied claims that it offered to pay under the minimum wage in a job advert.

The club has insisted that claims that it offered to pay below the minimum wage for the position working in the ticket office were wrong.

The claims come after the club broke its transfer record to sign Sofiane Boufal for £16million and gave contracts worth thousands of pounds a week to Ryan Bertrand, Fraser Forster, Virgil van Dijk and Cedric.

A complaint had been made to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) by independent Southampton City councillor for Redbridge Andrew Pope.

Cllr Pope’s complaint relates to an advert on the club’s own website in July this year for a job in the ticket office who quoted a rate of £6.50 per hour or the minimum wage.

Mr Pope complaint was that it implied that lower than the minimum wage, which is currently £7.20, would be paid.

However, Saints have said the people hired for the role actually get paid more than the minimum wage.

The club said the wording was a commonly adopted policy to reflect how the minimum wage varies depending on your age.

In a statement the club said: "The job role referred to was a casual ticket office assistant role, clearly advertised at ‘£6.50 or above depending on national minimum wage’ - a common practice adopted by thousands of businesses to reflect the varying minimum wage rates which are dependent on the age of the employee.

"The two 18 year olds employed by the club as a result of this job advert are in fact being paid £6.70 per hour - well above the minimum wage for 18-20 year olds of £5.30.

It then goes on to say about the minimum living wage which is something else entirely…

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Oh I am judging you, I am judging you indeed.

Not going to tell you what the verdict is though, you can keep guessing on that.

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I still struggle with this whole club is a disgrace malarky every time we dont win a football match. This site isnt so bad although Barry insists on bringing the whole Fiverweb doom and gloom ethic here, as does our friend in New York. Yes last night was a horror show and this season has been hit and miss, but when you consider how low this club sunk and how it has reinvented itself over the last 8 years I dont see how anyone can complain that the club has no ambition. The trouble is, no matter how driven you are, there will come a point where you can’t keep climbing. You then consolidate which means that you either stay the same or you fall back a bit. We are clearly falling back at the moment, partly due to poor performances and partly due to improvements by other clubs. We have no given right to improve more than other clubs around us. Who expected Burnley to do as well as they have so far? Every club wants to do as best as it can. Given the amount of upheaval this club has been through over the last few years 4 consecutive top ten finishes has been an amazing achievement. Perhaps my expectations arent as high as some, but I have never felt that a top ten finish is a given. Unlike Barry, I dont think that club and the team are shit. The current squad clearly have a mental fragility though and that is something that the people who run the club will need to tackle. One thing is for sure though, the problems won’t be solved by spitting dummies out.

I’m ok with moaning along lines of “I’m Not Happy With Them Results”. Any bit where ppl try and make out they know what’s gone wrong and whose fault it is though, is just Football Fans Chatting Shite.

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If we’re not allowed to do this then we might as well just cancel football all together :lou_sad:

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You’re allowed to! I’m pleased to hear your opinions. I’m only saying that all your* opinions are groundless, facile, and worthless, and every time you* offer an opinion you* Embarrass yourself*, me, and everyone else.

* I don’t mean you particular gaystar. I didn’t know you had Opinions. I meant like the Royal “Your”.

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Thanks Bearsy, that makes me* feel alot better about myself**.

*I’m talking about the collective me here, and the collective myself here**, I’m sure there’s better words I*** could have used here that mean those things without having to expalin myself****

***see * above and for **** see ** above respectively.

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It is possible to talk about a match without slagging the whole club off and wanting everyone sacked. It seems to be the default position nowdays. Sack the manager. Sack the Board. Slag off the owner. It would appear that the problem last night is that the majority of the team played well below their capabilities. That is not the fault of Pellegrino, Reed or Gao. It is the fault of the players. Whatever you think of them, they are all very capable of playing better.

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I think it rather ironic that Bazza should use the word “propaganda” in this thread title as Baz has always posted his own propaganda in every thread he’s ever started on this site. He has absolutely no interest in what you think…it’s simple a platform for his own singular opinions.

His opinions are never swayed from the first post to last, whether the thread runs to 2 or 200 pages making any interaction with him, pointless.

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