Coup in Turkey

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pap posted this 17 April 2017

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

Originally posted by pap

If we'd voted 52% to Remain, Turkey would soon be one of our co-member states.

It's already fucking ridiculous that they're a member of NATO.

 I don't remember that during the referendum. You're saying if we had voted to remain, Turkey was allowed in. Did anyone tell the rest of Europe, Mr Farage?

Turkey imprisons more journalists than most other countries.   It also has no compunction about ploughing into its Kurdish population.  Erdogan is an authoritarian that we overlook for strategic purposes, and has taken time out to whip up a bit of anti-European hate in his quest to get these referendum measures passed.

Despite all that, the EU has been courting Turkey for some time.   Ford was granted an 80m loan to move its operations there.

Beyond the approximate numbers, any  suggestion that this poll, essentially a greenlight for enabling powers, is a bit like the EU poll, is the Bank Holiday chuckle of the day.

Fatso posted this 17 April 2017

This is reassuring from the head of the electoral body in Turkey 

But Mr Guven told reporters on Monday the unstamped ballot papers had been produced by the High Electoral Board and were valid.

nothing to be concerned about there, all seems above board.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39618614

Barry Sanchez posted this 17 April 2017

I'm sure the liberals will blame the West somewhere.

Saint or sinner posted this 17 April 2017 - Last edited 17 April 2017

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

Originally posted by pap

If we'd voted 52% to Remain, Turkey would soon be one of our co-member states.

It's already fucking ridiculous that they're a member of NATO.

 I don't remember that during the referendum. You're saying if we had voted to remain, Turkey was allowed in. Did anyone tell the rest of Europe, Mr Farage?

Turkey imprisons more journalists than most other countries.   It also has no compunction about ploughing into its Kurdish population.  Erdogan is an authoritarian that we overlook for strategic purposes, and has taken time out to whip up a bit of anti-European hate in his quest to get these referendum measures passed.

Despite all that, the EU has been courting Turkey for some time.   Ford was granted an 80m loan to move its operations there.

Beyond the approximate numbers, any  suggestion that this poll, essentially a greenlight for enabling powers, is a bit like the EU poll, is the Bank Holiday chuckle of the day.

 I've highlighted it, seeing as you appear to have missed what i meant.

Saint or sinner posted this 17 April 2017

 What's going on pap? It's not showing the highlighted bit, but when i try to edit it's still there, but not when i come back here. I'm confused again lou_sad

Fatso posted this 17 April 2017

It's highlighted for me @Saint or sinner

Saint or sinner posted this 17 April 2017

Originally posted by Fatso

It's highlighted for me @Saint or sinner

 OK thanks. All i'm seeing, is from my original reply onwards.

Nottarf Krap posted this 17 April 2017

 Look, it's the will of the people.

The referendum was won by a clear majority of 1.5%

The majority are always right. So the unpatriotic remoaners should suck it up and keep quiet.

If the majority wanted an autocracy they must be correct!

That's how it works, isn't it Brexiters?

Already there are noises coming from the EU regarding Turkey now almost certainly restoring the death penalty, which will, of course, immediately put the kybosh on any ambitions they may have had about joining the community. But, of course, this is one of the benefits of 'taking back control'. The Mail and Sun newspapers have already started murmering about it, some of the more swivel eyed right wing MPs have been making enthusiastic noises. And there is no doubt whatsoever that if a referendum was called here for the restoration of the death penalty, after the Sun and Mail had done their best during the campaign, it would be restored. But that's OK, it's the will of the people. Taking back control!  Anyone who doubts  this could happen is deluding themselves.

The reality now, is that we are aligned with Trump, our government is falling over itself to ingratiate themself with him on our behalf. Donald finds the key to the Pentagon toy box, drops the MOAB on Afghanistan, launches a ludicrous attack on Syria with cruise missiles in supposed retaliation for 'Evil Assad" dropping naughty chemicals on 'beautiful babies'. Even though everyone knows that chemical weapon attacks in Syria are done by the western backed rebels. While most of the rest of the civilized world are, rightly, sceptical at best, and downright critical at worst, our lot are gushing in their praise of Trump's actions. Sycophantic doesn't even come close.

Turkey is heading backwards at lightning speed, any hope they may have had about joining the wider, civilized EU community have surely gone. It is only a matter of time before they have a caliphate. Even though they are members of NATO, courtesy of their sponsors, the USA. Who, of course, only have the interests of European countries at heart! So we have the USA, Turkey, and good old UK, standing in proud defiance of the undemocratic EU, taking back control!

Makes you proud to be British!lou_sad

SaintBristol posted this 17 April 2017

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by SaintBristol

Originally posted by Barry Sanchez

Originally posted by Fatso

This is a bit worrying. It looks like the Turkish are going to vote to give Erdogan increased power, with the opposition saying its all a fix. Three people shot outside polling stations in apprarent arguments over how they were going to vote. Surely this is crazy? To hand so much more control to a man who has sacked half the public sector and imprisoned the rest (I may check for actual figures later, but it's a lot). Incidently, the voting is 52% for madness and 48% against.

 Let them get on with it, I am sure we'll find a way to blame the West for this cuddly little rogue strangling of human rights and stability in the region.

 52 % per cent vs 48 % sounds a bit familiar 

If we'd voted 52% to Remain, Turkey would soon be one of our co-member states.

It's already fucking ridiculous that they're a member of NATO.

 Also close to the US popular vote.  Just saying that opinion is split almost 50/50 on some generation changing policies.

Barry Sanchez posted this 18 April 2017

Originally posted by Nottarf Krap

 Look, it's the will of the people.

The referendum was won by a clear majority of 1.5%

The majority are always right. So the unpatriotic remoaners should suck it up and keep quiet.

If the majority wanted an autocracy they must be correct!

That's how it works, isn't it Brexiters?

Already there are noises coming from the EU regarding Turkey now almost certainly restoring the death penalty, which will, of course, immediately put the kybosh on any ambitions they may have had about joining the community. But, of course, this is one of the benefits of 'taking back control'. The Mail and Sun newspapers have already started murmering about it, some of the more swivel eyed right wing MPs have been making enthusiastic noises. And there is no doubt whatsoever that if a referendum was called here for the restoration of the death penalty, after the Sun and Mail had done their best during the campaign, it would be restored. But that's OK, it's the will of the people. Taking back control!  Anyone who doubts  this could happen is deluding themselves.

The reality now, is that we are aligned with Trump, our government is falling over itself to ingratiate themself with him on our behalf. Donald finds the key to the Pentagon toy box, drops the MOAB on Afghanistan, launches a ludicrous attack on Syria with cruise missiles in supposed retaliation for 'Evil Assad" dropping naughty chemicals on 'beautiful babies'. Even though everyone knows that chemical weapon attacks in Syria are done by the western backed rebels. While most of the rest of the civilized world are, rightly, sceptical at best, and downright critical at worst, our lot are gushing in their praise of Trump's actions. Sycophantic doesn't even come close.

Turkey is heading backwards at lightning speed, any hope they may have had about joining the wider, civilized EU community have surely gone. It is only a matter of time before they have a caliphate. Even though they are members of NATO, courtesy of their sponsors, the USA. Who, of course, only have the interests of European countries at heart! So we have the USA, Turkey, and good old UK, standing in proud defiance of the undemocratic EU, taking back control!

Makes you proud to be British!lou_sad

I agree with a lot of that but the West can not be blamed for Turkish will, Erdogan will get his will and drop refugee programs and the EU will be flooded with refugees creating havoc. He'll be refused entry to the EU and play the martyr to the loving crowds (52%) and from this he popularity will increase, another religious zealot who puts his faith before politics and uses it to harness votes, its strange at Turkey and its creator never envisaged such a Country as it is now. Civil war beckons there or at the very least civil disobedience, the EU does have some blame laid at its door by continually dangling the entry carrot, this has backfired and we have a reactionary backward leader, who'd have thought that, oh the EU did it to Russia in Crimea by knocking on the door.

Fatso posted this 09 July 2017 - Last edited 09 July 2017

Plenty of brave people out protesting in Turkey

Can't see this ending too well. The news was saying people are preparing for the next election. Will Erdogan allow that though?  There's a good chance it will be ruthlessly crushed or maybe even worse some kind of civil war? Maybe I'm overreacting. 

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Barry Sanchez posted this 10 July 2017

The progressives will get hammered and kniocks on the door once it quietens down, the World seems to be in love with authoritarianism at the moment.

China, India, Turkey, US , Russia, Poland and many more.