Do the FA have a case to answer over Eniola Aluko's claims?

Who appointed Ashworth and Brace to conduct the review(sham)? Was it the man that said “let the grown-ups in the organisation deal with it”.

Ashworth(leading the sham) and Brace were directly mentioned as part of the complaint from the PFA, so finding out that this was also buried doesn’t look good at all.

it emerged over the weekend that he was criticised in an independent inquiry, conducted by the barrister Newton, after nominating himself as a witness, apparently to speak on Sampson’s behalf, in the review he was overseeing.

Ashworth told Newton he did not see it as a conflict of interest. Yet the barrister disagreed and the FA, already accused of one whitewash, might have to explain why this part of her findings was not included in the edited section the organisation later released.

“An investigator should not also be inputting evidence into the same investigation and I would advise avoiding this situation arising in any future case,” Newton wrote.

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The FA are a fucking disgrace. They will never learn from their mistakes and do not even realise what they are saying and doing are wrong. They need a complete overhaul. Embarrassing in 2017!

That’s all.

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Oh let’s forget all the fluff around this is going to be my new saying! Tosser.

Hmm, shades of grey. I dunno about that. Seems to me that it absolutely falls to Newton to make a judgement on whether Sampson did a racist thing. The qualification that she “doesn’t believe he is racist” seems to a) fall outside her remit (that’s not what is on trial here) and b) draw a false delineation between racist action and racist attitude that reduces his comments to a harmless misjudgement or an accident.

A racist comment is an expression of a held prejudice that the commenter thinks society is going to back them up on holding, or that they aren’t afraid of the consequences of expressing. If you say the racist thing and think it’s OK to say the racist thing, you are, at least to that extent, a racist person.

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I am not sure about that Dinger. I think you can make a comment that is racist in content but not be an actual racist. People write inappropriate things on here all the time under the banter mantle and I am sure most of them arent racists, homophobic, misogynists etc. Things are said after a few drinks in the pub all the time which wouldnt go down to well if said loudly on the 7:30 train to work. For me a racist is someone who holds certain beliefs, not someone who makes some poorly judged jokes in an totally inappropriate situation. That twat James Cordon was been vilfied for his attempts at humour whilst trying to poke fun at Weinstein. I doubt that he is a Weinstein supporter and woman molestor. I think he just badly judged the situation and his material. If Sampson was a racist there would be a lot more out there than a couple of post-adolesent attempts at banter.

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I’m with you sog. This Sampson bro sounds like a cunt, but I like to be more careful before branding someone an actual Racist. It’s about the worst thing you can put on someone, after pedo I suppose, and worse in the respect that it don’t need to be proven. He’s gonna have Racist tattoo on his forehead for rest of his life, like he’s fkn Klan or something. I find it quite Sad.

Where does everyone stand on blacking or browning up?

Ch4 getting some stick for browning up some white people so they can live like a Muslim for a week

I used to live with a girl whose dad was one of the main singers with the Black and White Minstrels. When the show lost its tv slot he used to tour with another singer and still black up. Eventually he had to stop and just used to sing the songs, but was bitter until the end as he claimed it wasn’t racist or meant to be offensive. I am sure he and they meant well (the show gave Lenny Henry his first break in showbiz) but it is how these things are perceived that matter.

Shut up you black queer bitch :lou_eyes_to_sky:

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Can we agree that there are degrees of racism?

I’d say each of us (particularly white people) has a degree of inherent racism, much of which they may not even be aware of because it is so ingrained in our societal upbringing. As per the above posts about blacking up, these things are gradually recognised and moved outside of the circumference of what is acceptable. That doesn’t mean the activities or modes of thought have become more or less racist, just that they have been recognised for what they are.

My comments are less about ‘branding’ someone a racist, than about the inappropriateness of this barrister making a call on whether Mark Sampson is a racist. It’s almost meaningless to assert that he isn’t, when you’ve just adjudged him to have made racist comments. And it’s equally meaningless to say that he is, when to a degree we are all carrying prejudices around.

My contention is that the only thing achieved by saying that someone who has just been proven to have done something racist is not himself a racist, is that it separates the actor from the act in a way that allows people to not have to look at the attitude that had to prevail for those comments to be uttered.

Perhaps there’s a less loaded word than ‘racist’ that we could use, I dunno. But to me it’s not the same as saying fascist, or Nazi. Those have very specific definitions and views you have to subscribe to in order to qualify. Whereas anybody who benefits from structural and systemic inequality between the races is a racist to the extent that they go along with it.

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What about cockmuffin?

I would expect my cockmuffins loaded. Wouldn’t you?

At least some cheese on the bulging head.

Equalitist? Inequalitist? Priviligist? Educationist?

Cunt?

I’m genuinely appalled at you.

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Originally posted by Fatso

I’m genuinely appalled at you.

I know, cheese just doesn’t do it. I’d expect sour cream.

I was going to mention black humour but perhaps that isnt appropriate. I agree that a remark that involves a racist element is inherently racist in nature, but it could be used in an ironic way which turns the remark on its head and pokes fun at racism. I am not saying it happened in this case as he doesnt seem that bright. It is entirely possible to make a racist remark and not be a racist. For example you might not have an issue with immigrants per se, but might utter “bloody foreigners coming over here and talking our jobs” at some point just because it is an easy, lazy thing to say. How many of us slag off the Yanks for voting in Trump, stupid gun laws etc. Does that mean we are racists? In this case I think that although he made comments which clearly have a racist element, he was making a very bad job of trying to engage in some banter. Think in terms of Bernard Manning going back on stage now and doing his old act. My wife’s step dad still trots out mother-in-law and wife jokes as if we were still stuck in the 70s. Some people just dont know how to move with the times.

“…My wife’s step dad still trots out mother-in-law and wife jokes as if we were still stuck in the 70s. Some people just dont know how to move with the times…”

They’re probably true stories though @sadoldgit

:lou_wink_2:

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Oh how the incompetents(there is another option of name for them) at the fa must hate Daniel Taylor. Another good piece.

That was a particularly ghastly moment when the four FA executives were asked about Lucy Ward’s sex‑discrimination case at Leeds, blinked dumbly (“When was that?” Greg Clarke asked) and admitted they had no idea what the MPs were talking about.

Ward, to recap, tried for 18 months to persuade the FA to investigate and the governing body was asked seven times before informing her, punily, that there was nothing it could do. Needless to say, we are still waiting for an explanation how they missed a story that has attracted considerable publicity since early 2016.

They really do need to go. All four of them.

Nothing wrong with footballs governance(yes they really do expect us to believe their bullshit.

Quote of the week: Martin Glenn – happy with the FA’s last 17 months. “I believe we handled this case with decency and openness … The spirit in which we approached Eni’s concerns has been good.” How can we trust Greg Clarke and the Football Association on anything?

• The final take on the case from the FA’s third Eni Aluko inquiry: coach Mark Sampson is “not racist” but made illegal “racially discriminatory comments” due to his “difficulties judging boundaries when engaging in banter”. Glenn told MPs: “We regret this inappropriate banter.”

Football’s previous best work on discriminatory comments: 2011: Sepp Blatter tells players to roll with racist banter, “shake hands” and accept that “this is a game”. His core message: “There is no racism in football.”

2014: The League Managers Association calls Malky Mackay’s texts about “fkn chinkys”, a fat Jew, a “gay snake” and a game called Black Monopoly which features only “Go to Jail” squares “friendly text message banter”. The FA says Mackay “had a legitimate expectation of privacy”.

2014: A Premier League source tells the Sunday Mirror that chief executive Richard Scudamore’s emails about “female irrationality”, “gash” and “banging skinny big-titted broads” were “meant in a Frankie Howerd-style way”. Scudamore, cleared of wrongdoing, says the banter was “private, exchanged between colleagues and friends of many years … I apologise for any offence.”

Meanwhile: Best gesture. Uefa’s all-white 18-member executive committee, launching the Uefa #EqualGame campaign to “celebrate diversity in the game … We want to highlight our commitment to leading the way.”

Where do these fuckwits with their self important delusions come from?