Don't mention Yemen

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Cobham Saint posted this 25 August 2017

Fair points Pap. Not sure I can add more to that so won't try.

 

Dubai_Phil posted this 26 August 2017

Originally posted by Cobham Saint

Fair points Pap. Not sure I can add more to that so won't try.

 

 Plus Iran is "axis of evil" so always gets bad press.

Actually I wasn't having a dig at them in the way Pap was implying. It is such a fascinating place 

In some ways their "position" is more of unofficial opposition the US style globalisation.

Their "other" role is defending the Shia faith against the "western backed" Sunni faith. Iran's "gripe" is simply that they don't believe the Saudis are true Muslims and so shouldn't control The Holy Sites.

Don't have a soft spot for them just balanced

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pap posted this 26 August 2017

Originally posted by Dubai_Phil

Originally posted by Cobham Saint

Fair points Pap. Not sure I can add more to that so won't try.

 

 Plus Iran is "axis of evil" so always gets bad press.

Actually I wasn't having a dig at them in the way Pap was implying. It is such a fascinating place 

In some ways their "position" is more of unofficial opposition the US style globalisation.

Their "other" role is defending the Shia faith against the "western backed" Sunni faith. Iran's "gripe" is simply that they don't believe the Saudis are true Muslims and so shouldn't control The Holy Sites.

Don't have a soft spot for them just balanced

I would actually love to go.   Looks like one of the most beautiful spots on Earth, in certain parts of the country.

One of the huge problems with that now is that until Trump has gone, and possibly thereafter, going to Iran will probably prevent you from going to the US.

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Dubai_Phil posted this 26 August 2017

Totally agree Pap. The Ex wanted to go there - I worked for an American Company so had serious protocols to follow so couldn't go. She loved it, so many beautiful Cities.

Middle Son was in and out for work a few times - loved the place - he made some great friends there while skate-boarding.

 

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Goatboy posted this 16 November 2017

Yes, I know it's James Corden, but finally Yemen is making the news:

Cobham Saint posted this 19 November 2017

And the UK supports Saudi Arabia and seems to be doing nothing to ensure at least humanitarian aid is provided - shameful, but not unexpected.

pap posted this 29 November 2017

ITV News has been bang on this the last couple of nights.   Bravo.

Fatso posted this 29 November 2017

How the fuck can you think of Yemen on a night like this?

Nottarf Krap posted this 3 weeks ago

Originally posted by Goatboy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42503472

 Absolutely disgraceful isn't it. The richest country in the world bombing the shit out of the poorest. With the help of their allies, The US,UK, France and Israel.

"It may never be possible to know the true death toll of the modern Western wars on the Middle East, but that figure could be 4 million or higher. Since the vast majority of those killed were of Arab descent, and mostly Muslim, when would it be fair to accust the United States and it's allies of genocide?" - Physicians For Social Responsibility.

They calculate the body count of the Iraq war at about 1.3 million, and possibly as many as 2 million. The actual death toll could reach as high as 4 million if one includes not just those killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also the victims of the sanctions against Iraq, which left about 1.7 million more dead, half of them children, according to figures from the United Nations.

The numbers are mind numbing. No amount of blaming the victims, ie, Muslims, can change the facts, Muslims are being killed, unmercifully, and Anti-Muslim narrative is "blame the victims". The stench of hypocrisy is overpowering. Assad is the elected leader of Syria, fighting against terrorists unleashed by NATO, whereas our allies, the Saudis, are fascists slaughtering the people of a sovereign state. And people in this country throw their arms up in the air in shock and outrage when we get a rare blowback and bombs go off in our cities, or someone in a lorry mows down pedestrians. Of course these people hate us, why on earth wouldn't they? This is all being done in our name, like it or not, Of course our governments are not stupid, they know very well the laws of cause and effect, atrocities in our countries are factored in. For all their outrage and faux horror when it happens, the harsh reality is that, for them, it is a price worth paying. And the arms sellers are rubbing their hands with excitement. Every missile fired, every bomb dropped has to be replaced.

And Theresa May will go to church this Sunday as usual. How does that work?

Fatso posted this 2 weeks ago

The house of Saud on bbc2 tonight was worth watching. 

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SaintBristol posted this 2 weeks ago

A friend of mine who was always morally really judgemental.  An Irish catholic, has been travelling for last 10 years.  China, and now he's teaching Saudi Pilots communication and I don't know what it is.  It's tax free,  and he's training people to bomb women and kids in Yemen.

SaintBristol posted this 2 weeks ago

Sorry i'm tired lou_facepalm2