Originally posted by SO5 4BW
It doesn't matter who the manager is. It's impossible to succeed in the current situation
We don't produce enough decent players. If Jordan Henderson was Spanish he wouldn't have been a footballer. If Xavi was English he wouldn't have been a footballer. It's 63 years since the wake up call - losing at home to the Hungarians 3-6. We're still at root suspicious of skill and tactics. and if you doubt that stand on the touchline of a kids game. When my boy was playing the games were on full-size pitches, with full-size goals. Not sure if that's still the norm but I wouldn;t be surprised if it was. The parents and most of the coaches knew nothing but thought they knew everything about football (remind you of some forums?)
We focus on the big kids. We produce leather-lunged footballers who can run all day and have loads of 'heart' and 'desire' but little skill. When players come along with God-given skills we're suspicious of them. MLT was just one of a very long line. Any decent players emerge in spite of the system rather than because of it
Next, the organisation of the professional game is in the hands of the FA - the most dysfunctional organisation in the history of organisations. Can you ever remember the FA doing something and you thought 'good idea, yes, I'd have done that'? No, me neither.
The out-of-touch bumbling amatuerism of the past (county FAs and blazers) has been replaced by pots of money and corporate on-message Blair-speak about 'the England way' (people brought in from private industry who are not 'experts on football' Nice suits though)
And of course I'm sure the Premier League doesn't help. Chelsea and Man City win the youth cup year after year but none of them make their first teams
As an aside - one thing to ask that's relevant for England is 'why don't Scotland produce players any more?' From the start of league football in the 1880s up to the Premier League in 1992 you'd be hard pressed to find any successful team without any Scots - usually as crucial players. The last were Strachan and McAllister for Leeds - the last league winners before the PL - and Colin Hendry for Blackburn in 1995. The Scots always punched above their weight, Now they're awful. I think that is what awaits England
So - all this is before considering the bit that a manager can influence. Sure Roy made mistakes - Wiltshire, Sterling, Rooney, etc. But we wouldn't have won it with the players at our disposal now, whoever had been in the squad or the team
Pardoxically in this post-Brexit world the answer lies in a loss of nationalism. Recognise that we're part of Europe - where all the coaching expertise comes from. Some humility wouldn't go amiss. We're shit, and have been for ages. We need to want to learn from the rest of the world. We currently don't
We need to recognise that, at the moment, nobody, not Guardiola, Mourinho, Pocchettino or a reincarnated Brian Clough could turn England into world beaters.
That said, we could aim to be equal to the sum of our parts rather than much much less. Do any of the players look forward to playing for England do we think? It really doesn't look like it. What's needed in the short term is a man manager to get the players we have got enjoying their football. Sam could maybe do that, and is not such a tactical dinosaur as everyone makes him out to be - he was quite innovative when at Bolton
very astute post SO5 .... pity the people controlling our game aren't as insightful