Feminism

I think in his heart of hearts Beasy is still looking for that perfect Stepford wife rip.

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Would be ironic if a Midwich Cuckoo arrived instead in 9 months

Close but no cigar for the Bear

Ok, hands up. my comments about her childish language in her rant to Baldwin are judgemental. I dont believe anything else is other than factual. I am not saying she should have gone to the police straight away. I am saying that by not doing so I agree with Baldwin in that justice has been delayed. You didnt mention whether you thought that Baldwin was supporting Weinstien. I certainly didnt get that impression from his comments.

I worked for the CPS for 8 years, the last few as a manager to paralegal staff, some who worked for the Rape and Serious Sexual Offences team. I know only too well how difficlut it is to bring these cases to a successful prosecution. So much harder when the cases are historical because often it is just one person’s word against another. We need to remember that Weinstein has not been convicted of any crime as yet, although he has been tried on almost a daily basis in the media. McGowan has made allegations which are still to be proven. She has chosen to drag a man through the gutter in the press but gets upset when others use the media to make their own comments on the situation. She cant have it both ways and I still think her choice of words to Baldwin did her no favours. She had the choice to make a strong response but instead chose to use a childish response and, it seems to me, completely miss the point too. Read Baldwin’s comments and tell me a) if you think he was having a widdle man baby tantrum and b) if you think he was supporting Weinstein? To me he was simply stating a fact. By not going to the police earlier she has clearly “delayed justice.” There is no comment about saying what she should have done, just a comment about what the consequences of her actions (and those of many others) was. I accept it is difficult and hopefully through all of these recent allegations people will find it easier to stand up and seek proper justice for what happens to them when it happens. Not through the media, but through the proper channels.

So, still using the words “birds” and “chick” then? Perhaps the pot you have been smoking for years has totally addled your brain. What she could and should have done are not the issue here. Yes, in an ideal world she would have reported it immediately and the case would have been prosecuted properly. If you have listened to all those who have come out in the last few years and reported historical sexual abuse you will know that it has been a very traumatic and difficult experience for them. Infering that Rose McGowan is a prostitute is ridiculous. Prostitutes take money for sex. This was a pay off to keep quiet. The sisterhood might well call you out because you are a man stuck in the last century. Why would they call out one of their own when many have been through similar situations and know how difficult it is to take this stuff foward - especially against a powerful figure in Hollywood where many of them seem to be at it. The only point I agree with you is if she had reported it straight away it might well have prevented many more incidents. But I also agree with Lou in that it is not that simple.

Good point well made soggy.

Unfortunately let down by your last line.

In the modern world sadly it seems that unless you use the media you get no response. Not just in these abuse cases but in general.

I completely understand why people are using the media Phil, but it really doesnt help the legal process. The defence will argue that a trial will be unfair as it will be affected by the media storm. People have already made up their minds about Weinstein and they could well be right, but a witch hunt is no way a replacement for a proper justice system. Lots of people have clearly felt either let down by the justice system or the legal process over the years and maybe, now, things will start to change? Settlements out of court have been going on for years and the American’s especially have made an art form of making things “go away” in exchange for vast sums of money. Perhaps now we will see more cases go to court rather than be hushed up?

Yep.

Population growth will solve global warming.

Brexit will be great.

Saints will score a goal at home

:wink::wink::wink:

:cool: :lou_facepalm_2:

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Is “sub judice” still enforceable in law? Is it still desirable? Is it possible for a well know person to get a fair trial…in the legal sense?

Three questions for you all.

I would respectfully suggest, your professional experience is overly dominating your view on this in terms of ‘right process’ vs an empathetic ‘human response’. I make no judgements on Baldwin - I don’t know the guy. But I think people need to be more cautious about making sweeping statements about who should have done what and at what time, given the circumstances. It’s incredibly insensitive. Read the New Yorker link I posted above. Nuts! McGowan probably is a bit erratic or paranoid at the moment. But given the experience, I’m making allowances for her.

You say you’re just stating a fact - she should have gone to the police earlier. But given a high percentage of your comments across this thread are focussed on ‘stating facts’ about McGowan, I would suggest your response is more judgemental than you realise it is.

Is this not judgey: “She has chosen to drag a man through the gutter in the press but gets upset when others use the media to make their own comments on the situation.”

Is this not judgey: “She cant have it both ways and I still think her choice of words to Baldwin did her no favours.”

Is this not judgey: “She had the choice to make a strong response but instead chose to use a childish response and, it seems to me, completely miss the point too.”

What about the women who went to trial in the Cosby case. Or Trump. Or the many other examples. Shall we just pat them on the back and say well done for following due process, sorry you didn’t get any justice.

In many ways, sog, I find your response more destructive than that of our parody friend, The Duckmeister.

Even the Daily Mail commenters are starting to realise this one isn’t as cut and dried. Yes, even the Daily Mail commenters.

Top comment:

“Hopefully this information will shut up all the ‘why didn’t she come forward earlier’ comments. The perpetrators are usually extremely powerful, and in this case it confirms it.”

Does the Government stilll not have a position of Witch Finder General?

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Or a Midwich finder general

If they do they’e rubbish. Couldnt find my ex wife & burn her at the stake …

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Tom Watson was aspiring to that role a while back

Mrs BS brought home a paper copy of the magazine. I’ve photographed the relevant bits and will post them here - hopefully they’re legible. Credit to Network Rail for actually publishing this in their magazine, I think. And, also, a really nicely balanced piece from the woman in question, who is thoughtful and sympathetic to her co-workers, I think.

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And the article.

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It’s “Harrassed” though, I hate to be that guy who corrects other posters mistakes. But you’re a dick, so i’m good with that.

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Good won

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Uh oH, granddad has woken up and started spouted nonsense.

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God you’re a bunch of soft arses. Good job I’m not from the snowflake generation otherwise I’d be crying about ageism.

The bird wants equality, well taking the piss is part of a working environment.