Originally posted by Sadoldgit
Originally posted by Coxford_lou
Sorry, sog, would it be poss to highlight which of the above statements isn't a judgement? Because I'm struggling.
Ok, hands up. my comments about her childish language in her rant to Baldwin are judgemental. I dont believe anything else is other than factual. I am not saying she should have gone to the police straight away. I am saying that by not doing so I agree with Baldwin in that justice has been delayed. You didnt mention whether you thought that Baldwin was supporting Weinstien. I certainly didnt get that impression from his comments.
I worked for the CPS for 8 years, the last few as a manager to paralegal staff, some who worked for the Rape and Serious Sexual Offences team. I know only too well how difficlut it is to bring these cases to a successful prosecution. So much harder when the cases are historical because often it is just one person's word against another. We need to remember that Weinstein has not been convicted of any crime as yet, although he has been tried on almost a daily basis in the media. McGowan has made allegations which are still to be proven. She has chosen to drag a man through the gutter in the press but gets upset when others use the media to make their own comments on the situation. She cant have it both ways and I still think her choice of words to Baldwin did her no favours. She had the choice to make a strong response but instead chose to use a childish response and, it seems to me, completely miss the point too. Read Baldwin's comments and tell me a) if you think he was having a widdle man baby tantrum and b) if you think he was supporting Weinstein? To me he was simply stating a fact. By not going to the police earlier she has clearly "delayed justice." There is no comment about saying what she should have done, just a comment about what the consequences of her actions (and those of many others) was. I accept it is difficult and hopefully through all of these recent allegations people will find it easier to stand up and seek proper justice for what happens to them when it happens. Not through the media, but through the proper channels.
I would respectfully suggest, your professional experience is overly dominating your view on this in terms of 'right process' vs an empathetic 'human response'. I make no judgements on Baldwin - I don't know the guy. But I think people need to be more cautious about making sweeping statements about who should have done what and at what time, given the circumstances. It's incredibly insensitive. Read the New Yorker link I posted above. Nuts! McGowan probably is a bit erratic or paranoid at the moment. But given the experience, I'm making allowances for her.
You say you're just stating a fact - she should have gone to the police earlier. But given a high percentage of your comments across this thread are focussed on 'stating facts' about McGowan, I would suggest your response is more judgemental than you realise it is.
Is this not judgey: "She has chosen to drag a man through the gutter in the press but gets upset when others use the media to make their own comments on the situation."
Is this not judgey: "She cant have it both ways and I still think her choice of words to Baldwin did her no favours."
Is this not judgey: "She had the choice to make a strong response but instead chose to use a childish response and, it seems to me, completely miss the point too."
What about the women who went to trial in the Cosby case. Or Trump. Or the many other examples. Shall we just pat them on the back and say well done for following due process, sorry you didn't get any justice.
In many ways, sog, I find your response more destructive than that of our parody friend, The Duckmeister.