Grenfell Fire

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Goatboy posted this 14 June 2017 - Last edited 14 June 2017

Hideous.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40269625

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Goatboy posted this 14 June 2017

Chertsey Saint posted this 14 June 2017

The amount of articles and complaints made by that group is ridiculous. There will be criminal ramifications from this.

Personally, I can't think of anything more terrifying than what the people on the top floors would have been through.

So sad lou_sad

CB Saint posted this 14 June 2017 - Last edited 14 June 2017

Well that made my jaw hit the floor when I turned the telly on

poor bastards

and if any of that stuff is true re fire safety then some people need jail time (one evacuee is claiming there was no fire alarm sounding as he left the building)

Dubai_Phil posted this 14 June 2017

No idea on the cause etc, but I do notice that the buidling had been reclad.

Cladding issues have been reported as a worry in Tower Block fires here and in other places like Sydney.

Time for a global rethink?

 

Rallyboy posted this 14 June 2017

In the current climate, let's hope this is just a tragic accident of epic proportions.

lifeintheslowlane posted this 14 June 2017 - Last edited 14 June 2017

I haven't watched the reports on TV this morning...I don't want to either but it's going to be near impossible I'm afraid.

That resident's association blog looks like there will be a massive criminal investigation. Fuck manslaughter...it sounds like murder. Those responsible and all implicated in passing flawed and useless regulations should be publicly villifed and locked up for the rest of their lives. lou_angry

Sadoldgit posted this 14 June 2017

Horrifying. 

Dubai_Phil posted this 14 June 2017

Full link to the web site

Posted November 2016

Previous engorcement actions and a previous fire in another unit

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/11/20/kctmo-playing-with-fire/

lifeintheslowlane posted this 14 June 2017

Originally posted by Dubai_Phil

Full link to the web site

Posted November 2016

Previous engorcement actions and a previous fire in another unit

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/11/20/kctmo-playing-with-fire/

 This is the final paragraph of the blog...

"The Grenfell Action Group predict that it won’t be long before the words of this blog come back to haunt the KCTMO management and we will do everything in our power to ensure that those in authority know how long and how appallingly our landlord has ignored their responsibility to ensure the heath and safety of their tenants and leaseholders. They can’t say that they haven’t been warned!"

Fatso posted this 14 June 2017

Originally posted by lifeintheslowlane

 This is the final paragraph of the blog...

"The Grenfell Action Group predict that it won’t be long before the words of this blog come back to haunt the KCTMO management and we will do everything in our power to ensure that those in authority know how long and how appallingly our landlord has ignored their responsibility to ensure the heath and safety of their tenants and leaseholders. They can’t say that they haven’t been warned!"

 Fuck me. I know no investigating has been conducted yet but it looks damming and disgraceful. 

BTripz posted this 14 June 2017

Philip Davies is a truly odious individual

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Sadoldgit posted this 14 June 2017

The only blessing is that the death toll isnt much higher. When I first saw the pictures I thought that few would escape.

steveintheforest posted this 14 June 2017

This is very sad. I've lived in a high rise for a short while in the past and can only imagine how terrifying it must of been for the residents.

I shudder to think how many lives will be affected, not only by injury/death but by losing everything they own. 150 flats - 400 to 600 people .... I really feel for them.

pap posted this 14 June 2017

Genuinely one of the most tragic events I've ever seen unfold in this country.   Felt sick to my stomach listening to some of the accounts.

pap posted this 14 June 2017

Originally posted by Dubai_Phil

No idea on the cause etc, but I do notice that the buidling had been reclad.

Cladding issues have been reported as a worry in Tower Block fires here and in other places like Sydney.

Time for a global rethink?

 

Cladding is fine as a concept.   It's what you make the cladding out of.   Don't know what they made this out of, but according to eyewitness reports, the fire got from the fourth floor to the top in 20 minutes. 

The other factor may have been the "polystyrene-like" insulation material, coming off in chunks.

When you read the Glenfell action report, this really does look like a tragedy in slow motion.   That's the thing I can't get out of my head; the horror that these people must have experienced before the fires took them.    It also appears that if concerns had been listened to, it could have been entirely avoided.

Barry Sanchez posted this 14 June 2017

Blag cladding, race to the bottom, why are we doing up (loosely termed) these towers of deprivation anyway? People need houses, if people choose to live like that fine, but people shouldn't be placed there.

 

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Intiniki posted this 14 June 2017

This is one report about why there was cladding

grenfell-tower-cladding-fire-cause-improve-kensington-block-flats-appearance-blaze-24-storey-west-a7789951.html

My colleague said her good friend lives opposite and could hear screaming she wont forget.  Sometimes the bad news seems endless. 

Chertsey Saint posted this 14 June 2017

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by Dubai_Phil

No idea on the cause etc, but I do notice that the buidling had been reclad.

Cladding issues have been reported as a worry in Tower Block fires here and in other places like Sydney.

Time for a global rethink?

 

Cladding is fine as a concept.   It's what you make the cladding out of.   Don't know what they made this out of, but according to eyewitness reports, the fire got from the fourth floor to the top in 20 minutes. 

The other factor may have been the "polystyrene-like" insulation material, coming off in chunks.

When you read the Glenfell action report, this really does look like a tragedy in slow motion.   That's the thing I can't get out of my head; the horror that these people must have experienced before the fires took them.    It also appears that if concerns had been listened to, it could have been entirely avoided.

Just got to Kos, so just catching up on this, but the cladding would probably be pretty fire resistant. However, what fixes it to the building? My bet is wooden battons...

pap posted this 14 June 2017

@Intiniki posted a link which suggests the insulation could be to blame.

Saint or sinner posted this 14 June 2017

Originally posted by pap

@Intiniki posted a link which suggests the insulation could be to blame.

 Multiple problems. The installation may have a part to play, but the cladding was flammable(pictures show it burning). Fixings should be stainless steel(can't have sections falling). The main problem though is this.

Chartered surveyor and fire expert Arnold Tarling, from Hindwoods, said the process can create a 25-30mm cavity between the cladding and the insulation. “It produces a wind tunnel and also traps any burning material between the rain cladding and the building," he said.

Anyone that's used a bunsen burner will understand. Put them all together and you get a disaster . I'm struggling to understand how this was allowed. Aesthetics over safety?