Is depression a big con?

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Sadoldgit posted this 2 days ago

Originally posted by SaintBristol

My girlfriend suffered from Crohn's disease, it's a bowel illness which is pretty nasty but treatable.   She had an operation and somehow contracted MRSA through the open wound.  She passed away, it's over 10 years now so i'm ok.

 Very sorry to hear that Ted. 

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Halo Stickman posted this yesterday

Apologies for arriving late to this thread.

I'm afraid that I, too, find the title unnecessarily provocative and offensive ... yes, even with the fucking question-mark lou_eyessky. Perhaps you have to have personally suffered from clinical depression or some other 'invisible' mental illness like depersonalization disorder in order to understand why it is so offensive; but, if that is the case, then, frankly, it's pretty disappointing in this day and age. The title also misrepresents what Rogan is saying.

Still, never mind, the title hasn't prevented the thread, itself, turning out to be one of the most interesting ones on here for a long while, with some marvellously heart-felt, candid, brave, insightful and helpful contributions. Good stuff, fellas (and Intiniki); I hope people will draw inspiration from your posts.

My best wishes to all those suffering from these wretched illnesses.

MrTrampoline posted this yesterday

Originally posted by pap

Very interesting video from Joe Rogan's podcast.  Worth twenty minutes of your life.

Almost impossible not to wonder if the anti-depressants industry is a huge con.

Key points.

Depression is measured on the Hamilton scale.   There are 51 points on the scale.   At the happiest point, you're in ecstasy.   At your lowest, you're acutely suicidal.   According to Johann Hari, just getting a good nights sleep moves you six points toward ecstasy.   Getting a shit night's sleep takes you six points down the scale.

Anti-depressants, on average, make people 1.8 points happier.   While that's going to be incredibly useful for people at the acutely suicidal end of the scale, it does beg the question as to whether these things are being massively over prescribed.

The story about the introduction of chemical anti-depressants in Cambodia is excellent.


 I'm currently on 100mgs each day of Sertraline. 

One of the side-effects is that (whilst everything else is rocking and rolling downstairs) - it takes absolutely ages to cum when wanking or having sex - so its definitely doing *something* in terms of having a chemical effect.

Having said that, the way SSRIs work is by bumping up the seretonin in your brain. They aren't 100% sure that low seretonin is what is behind a lot of depression but I'd say the drugs *seems* to help. Particularly with things like worrying and anxiety. Difficult to say though as in my life a lot of shit has just generally improved luckily enough. 

The trouble is - I know a lot of people (particularly at the recovery cafe) who insist that drugs don't do anything and that all mental illnesses are down to some kind of failure of spirit or whatever - and that a positive attitude can change everything and yadayadayada.

Course, its all happy-go-lucky hippy shit until the girl suffering from schizophrenia stops taking her pills (and to be fair antipsychotics are fucking horrible drugs which cause you to be thoroughly depressed, tired and permanently sleepy from what I've heard)  - and then ends up losing it big time and getting sectioned or whatever.

For now, I'd strongly recommend following the doctor's orders when it comes to drugs for mental health. 

MrTrampoline posted this yesterday

Originally posted by SaintBristol

My girlfriend suffered from Crohn's disease, it's a bowel illness which is pretty nasty but treatable.   She had an operation and somehow contracted MRSA through the open wound.  She passed away, it's over 10 years now so i'm ok.

 Jesus fucking Christ dude that's awful!

Areola Grandee posted this yesterday - Last edited yesterday

I will do something I dont often do and sort of defend Pap as I know for certain he has not meant to offend anyone despite it being easily done with the title. I think it was a genuine attempt to present a provocative question and stimulate the very strong and emotionally mature debate on the issue this thread has delivered, albeit maybe I can be so bold as to suggest a bit clumsy in the thread title execution?  

I think part of the issue is that the drugs dont work for everyone with the same diagnosis (they are afterall only able to provide soe symptomatic relief), and as previously mentioned, in those cases where they dont,its easy to see how this might be interpreted that the illness itself is not something that can be impacted on by drug intervention...usually its that the right drug for the individual has not been determined.  In schizophrenia patients for example, some drugs have be great for relieving psychotic episodes, yet also increase paranoia, which is why many patients are reluctant to take long acting formulations despite this helping compliance. 

But with depression, as Pap states, it does depend really on whether you have a diagnosed clinical depression, or are suffering from something else... too often  anti-depressent drugs are prescribed without really looking to a) get a complete diagnosis, and b) provide appropriate therapy sessions that would complement or be a better alternative to drugs alone.