EDIT: This thread began having a go at the Mancs for their chanting. It has since become a general Hillsborough thread.
Forgive me for the entirely leading thread title, opening statement and judgemental conclusion, but what a bunch of cunts.
Yeah, seen some of my 'pool mates sharing this.
Obviously itâs fucking scummy of those involved. Not often I see the same folks condemning the 'pool fans that sing the Munich songs though.
Both parties are petty, and need to try and work together as clubs to stamp this shit out on all sides. It does nothing for anyone.
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Why do football fans need to do these things?
Whilst it is no excuse, the pool fans have been giving it large about Munich for decades.
It is no excuse, and itâs a completely different situation.
You reckon anyone personally affected by Munich is in those stands? How about the city of Manchester in general? Was it subject to a police and media conspiracy which sought to cast victims as drunkards or criminals?
Please point me to any instance where a group of fans, and by implication, the city theyâre from, was treated so poorly for so long.
Is it really different?
Fans revelling in the death of the members of a rival football club, be they fans or players? It is just sick.
Liverpool fans were happy to sing song with the lines âwhose that dying on the runway, whose that dying in the snowâ. Now that some mindless dickheads from the club that was the target of those chants have retaliated in there own sick way, it is somehow worse. I donât buy that.
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Iâve just said that it was, and given you the reasons.
I could enumerate all of the songs that the Man Utd fans sing, but that wouldnât strengthen my point any.
Hillsborough touched a whole city, both at the time, and in the decades afterwards. Most people knew someone who died, or was related to someone that died, and the government did fuck all to help, and everything to obsfucate the facts for nigh on 30 years.
You donât have to buy anything, but neither will you understand why people are so affronted.
United look as poor off the pitch as they do on it at the moment.
A very personal attack on a large number of people present who lost relatives and friends is quite different to moronic Munich chants or even the equally offensive gas chamber noises.
Otherwise normal people seem to think they can hide their deeply offensive behaviour behind the claim itâs just football.
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i am ok with ppl singing songs that r offence. I am not hypocrite, if whole crowd starting singing bout my dad being crip or bout the time my nutsack got entagled in the teeth of electric razor i would just be like Fk You! Wait till u hear this song bout ur sister being slack! It would be gd Atmosphere. Also no matter how many times itâs proven contrary in Court, I still think cunts at back pushing was Contribute Factor. I am beyond the reach of reason on this RIP
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100% agree bear. Obviously loads of mistakes but scousers going without tickets and trying to push their way in need to take a share of the blame.
Fuck off, do they. The event was badly policed, didnât have the correct safety equipment.
Appreciate that statements like this might make people feel less cuntish about things theyâve said in the past, but with the huge amount of additional information available from the inquests, maintaining it makes them look like cunts in the present.
I canât but it also has been a vehicle used by the disenfranchised, a taboo subject but it has, I know a number involved directly and strangely they are incredibly dignified it is the scally inbred who thinks its an excuse to kick off at anything seen as a supposed conspiracy from the South, I see it all the time.
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I know it is a taboo subject, enforced by scousers with a Nazi like enthusiasm but some in the crowd have to take a share (no matter how small) or the blame. You can have all the John Bishops and Mel C collaborations you like, showing the sensitive side of Liverpool. However, at the time Liverpool had a very nasty element to their crowd. They would rob and steal their way around Europe and try and get into grounds for free. They used to try and climb over the staff standing bit of the Dell, between the Milton Road stand the East Stand (I saw Liverpool, Everton and Man U all try this).
Most in Merseyside would love to blame this all on one or two in power, bonus points if they are from the south and Tories. Itâs true the reaction after was terrible and there were lies and cover ups, but the fact remains, thousands turned up without tickets and tried to force their way in. You might argue this was the culture at the time, âletâs jump the fence at Glastonburyâ was still a common thought years later. There should have been escape routes, the gate should not have been open etc etc. However, this is not completely the fault of one or two establishment figures. This was a terrible disaster and a lot of people have to take a share of the blame for the victims.
You can read all you like and speak to others but most of your opinion will be influenced by your own experiences. Liverpool had a big game (cup final or semi-final I think) at Wembley a few years ago. The Friday before the match I was on the Northern Line heading south at about 5ish. The train was packed but about 20-30 Liverpool fans who had been out drinking around soho all wanted to get on my carriage. They obviously wanted to stay together and wanted on this carriage or the one next door. In their drunken âladâ style they sung and pushed their way on, then when the train was more full than I had ever seen it, pushed more to get a few more mates on. The doors were blocked and the driver was moaning as where the people being crushed in the middle but they still had a few mates to get on, so they pushed more. I have seen pushing on the train to the extreme in Tokyo but this was another level. I had a seat and one of the fans who literally ended up sitting on me and those next to me, was dressed like a scouse version of the wanker with the bell. His Liverpool shirt had âJusticeâ written on the back and the number 96.
The victims are the victims and I feel terrible for their families. However the blame isnât all down to one or two people in power. It is obviously too bitter a fact to face but some of those waving justice flags would have been there on the piss with the lads. No tickets, just see if we can blag our way in eh?
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It all comes down to the fact that the safety wasnât in place, yes there may have been some ticketless people but not as many as the media have said, the lies and deception afterwards to cover up the previous lies were a disgrace.
I hope and believe there wont be such a front page assault once justice has been rightly given.
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So your experience on a London tube is germane to what happened at Hillsborough? Mate, if you want to project your isolated experience to let the authorities off the hook, thatâs your look out. I could say ânever seen pushing like itâ about Glastonbury festival goers when people are moving between two acts; Iâm fairly sure that the Blondie crush of 2014 beats your tube experience.
I suppose the difference is that Glastonbury is properly policed and staffed, and I wasnât looking to confirm earlier bias.
Its the hypocrisy (blind or conveniently so) that gets me, they are totally correct concerning Hillsborough BUT what about the 2007 Champions League Final and the fake tickets and the charging of the turnstyles and people in the ground all over the shop fighting over seats? Or the standing on the Kop? And the delicate nature we have to approach safe standing here in Liverpool for fear of offence.
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FFS Barry leave it out. They are always the victims! You are a c*nt if you say different. Itâs the scouse law.
And Pap, I was pointing out the hypocrisy as well, not saying it wasnât a police fuck up as well.
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I thought we were talking about whether it is okay to be REALLY offensive at a football match, I didnât realise we had reopened the Hillsborough inquiry.
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Typical scouse response. Where have I said I am letting authorities off the hook? Point it out? If anything I am getting more people âon the hookâ. The wankers who used to regulary force their way into grounds have to take some (however small) proportion of the blame.