:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

If Cracked Rib’s post can’t get Furball out of his slumber, nothing will :wink:

I love how you will bend over backwards to defend him, anything negative said about Corbyn etc. The dismissive way you deal with anything that doesn’t got with your sycophantic rhetoric means that people become stifled (see Verbal/Lou) and then don’t bother.

Cherts, TBH, I am still pretty green on all things Corbyn, so cant really comment on whether he is is good, bad, utter shiete etc. However, I have see enough of the media portrayal to see obvious agenda driven rubbish… my point above was about the way the media so easily manipulates even creates the ‘evidence’ to support their headlines… yets too frequently we all lap it up if it supports our own view.

Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

I love how you will bend over backwards to defend him, anything negative said about Corbyn etc. The dismissive way you deal with anything that doesn’t got with your sycophantic rhetoric means that people become stifled (see Verbal/Lou) and then don’t bother.

I wish you well with this thread, Cherts. However, all I did was point out the big assumptions you’re making, produced polling evidence from MORI to the contrary, and signed off with a sarcastic point about the validity of your assumptions.

Now, having started this thread, one would think you armed to deal with a few counterpoints.

If you can, do. If you can’t, that’s fine - but stop blaming others for your deficiency, ta.

So I am an Independent reader. I do so because I like to read from both sides of the spectrum. Since Corbyn came to power, this is the first negative story I have read about him…hence why I was surprised and I posted it. They’ve been suckling his teet more than Pap.

Do we have now a have a story to rival Piggate?

Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

So I am an Independent reader. I do so because I like to read from both sides of the spectrum. Since Corbyn came to power, this is the first negative story I have read about him…hence why I was surprised and I posted it. They’ve been suckling his teet more than Pap.

So, you read the Independent because it shows both sides of the spectrum, but you’re surprised because even though it provides both sides, it has been virulently pro-Corbyn?

There’s just no internal consistency to this logic.

I read it because it used to do that. It doesn’t anymore, that’s for sure, it’s probably more left than the Guardian now.

Didnt the Indy Editor used to have a Sotonians badge though?

1 Like

Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

I read it because it used to do that. It doesn’t anymore, that’s for sure, it’s probably more left than the Guardian now.

Is that present tense or past tense? Think carefully, Chertsey. Remember, you’ve got form both here and other there for not being as clever as you think you are.

The ultimate insult is Bazza is as thick as pig shit and still more cleverer than scribes on here…

Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez

The ultimate insult is Bazza is as thick as pig shit and still more cleverer than scribes on here…

I bet you slow play trips when playing Hold 'Em. I just know it somehow.

Who is trips? Is he one of these gangster singers like Vanilla Tea or Dirty Smalls?

2 Likes

I think many people on this forum suffer from that affliction…

Present tense.

I can’t see Lou’s debating being stifled by anyone on here Cherts. If she wants to take part she will. Verbal stropped off (again) but I very much doubt that ‘sycophantic rhetoric’ was the reason. Maybe he just wanted an easier audience?

Not at all, all I was doing was linking to an Independent article…I dont care if you don’t think it’s a valid poll, it’s a poll done in the paper that has been most complimentary about the new guard. That’s my only point. I’d like to know what assumptions you think I’m making…

If I decided to go on some mass diatribe about how this is proof that Corbyn is going to poll lower than any post war Labour politician then fair enough, but all I said was from people I know this is pretty accurate.

Fair enough, although haven’t seen Lou debating Politics on here for a while, and I think (although can’t be arsed to go search) that she had a problem with the dismissive nature of the way Pap expresses himself on these threads. Lou, apologies if I’m misrepresenting you.

Nah, I just have this mental image of Lou holding pap at arm’s length while he swings wild and useless lefts and rights. Mostly lefts obvs…

5 Likes

I think Lou expected (hoped) for more football debates on here than political. On a football forum, you know.

Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

Not at all, all I was doing was linking to an Independent article…I dont care if you don’t think it’s a valid poll, it’s a poll done

At least be real, Cherts. All you were doing was providing a counter-thread to the Tories in trouble? thread I started last night. Nowt wrong with that, but you started off with rather more opinion based off considerably less substantiation.

You provided a link, set the title and had a one-line opinion about how Labour were crap because of this one Indy article.

in the paper that has been most complimentary about the new guard. That’s my only point. I’d like to know what assumptions you think I’m making…

If I decided to go on some mass diatribe about how this is proof that Corbyn is going to poll lower than any post war Labour politician then fair enough, but all I said was from people I know this is pretty accurate.

I know what assumptions you’re making.

Assumption #1 - The Indy is a Corbyn ally

Surprisingly from their only real press ally as well…

Incompetent Labour party

Reality: The Indy never endorsed Corbyn. Only the Morning Star and Daily Record did.

Assumption #2 - The people I meet are representative of general society

Not really a surprise judging by the general sentiment I’ve encountered.

Assumption #3 - pap isn’t critical of Corbyn, or any of his policies.

I love how you will bend over backwards to defend him, anything negative said about Corbyn etc.

Assumption #4 - that when losing debate, one can somehow “win” that debate by insulting your opponent and then claiming that your opponent is stifling debate

The dismissive way you deal with anything that doesn’t got with your sycophantic rhetoric means that people become stifled (see Verbal/Lou) and then don’t bother.