New Old Labour in trouble...

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CB Saint posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by Bathsaint

I've just read the Huffpost article about him. 

http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-gq-dylan-jones_uk_5a211ef3e4b0a02abe9023bd

[edit: can't seem to post the link on my phone]

he seemed to be simply reporting what his chaps at GQ had told him. Of course, there are a load of Papsters trying to read some sort of conspiracy into it but I don't really see any evidence of that. Is what he said untrue? 

He is a non-believer and must be discredited.

Stone the heretic.

pap posted this 2 weeks ago - Last edited 2 weeks ago

Dylan Jones lied about his personal impressions of Corbyn while not actually being there.

He wrote a fluff piece on Cameron to help get him elected.

There's a fair chance he might not be neutral on Corbyn.   Have a listen to the caricature of the confused old geriatric being pointed to the next soundbite he paints.  I've seen the bloke in person a couple of times.  Young Adult #1 met him at a Labour youth conference.   

Neither of us came away with that impression.   

Dylan Jones invented his, so I guess in his own mind, he could be correct.

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CB Saint posted this 2 weeks ago

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42264630

Tricky these electoral finance rules, aren't they.

 

BTripz posted this 2 weeks ago

I miss @Chertsey Saint lou_sad

CB Saint posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by BTripz

I miss @Chertsey Saint lou_sad

 He had a lot more tenacity than me for this kind of thing. I might lob the odd thing into the mix but then i get bored and go and scratch my balls or something

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pap posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by CB Saint

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42264630

Tricky these electoral finance rules, aren't they.

 Good luck with that.   My experience of campaigning was individuals spending their own money to do the right thing.

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BTripz posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by BTripz

I miss @Chertsey Saint lou_sad

 Have the "owners" changed @Chertsey Saint's avatar??

pap posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by BTripz

Originally posted by BTripz

I miss @Chertsey Saint lou_sad

 Have the "owners" changed @Chertsey Saint's avatar??

 Nah, he logged on. 

Perhaps he's like Beetlejuice. 

BTripz posted this 2 weeks ago

One more go then, @Chertsey Saint

Goatboy posted this 2 weeks ago

Does Cherts still post on fiverweb? Anyone know if he's alive?

gavstar posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by Goatboy

Does Cherts still post on fiverweb? Anyone know if he's alive?

 he upvoted someone on here maybe a week or 2 ago, fucking lurker, lurking about all lurkery.

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Cobham Saint posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by gavstar

Originally posted by Goatboy

Does Cherts still post on fiverweb? Anyone know if he's alive?

 he upvoted someone on here maybe a week or 2 ago, fucking lurker, lurking about all lurkery.

 He didn't upvote me the the miserable sod. He can rot in purgatory or lurkery until he does...

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gavstar posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by Cobham Saint

Originally posted by gavstar

Originally posted by Goatboy

Does Cherts still post on fiverweb? Anyone know if he's alive?

 he upvoted someone on here maybe a week or 2 ago, fucking lurker, lurking about all lurkery.

 He didn't upvote me the the miserable sod. He can rot in purgatory or lurkery until he does...

 Brexit thread?

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Areola Grandee posted this 2 weeks ago

No one really leaves... they are just absored into the forum collective conciousness...

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Cobham Saint posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by Areola Grandee

No one really leaves... they are just absored into the forum collective conciousness...

 What like a hive mind, made up of the workers i.e. Those who can be arsed to post; the drones i.e. The lurkers who can't be arsed to post & all presided over by a queen (for want of a better word) who  is courted by a small number of potential "king bees" who want to inseminate the queen?

 

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Sfcsim posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by CB Saint

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42264630

Tricky these electoral finance rules, aren't they.

 Good luck with that.   My experience of campaigning was individuals spending their own money to do the right thing.

 I said this before, the Labour Party hard graft was done by labour members, with money for leaflets and other materials raised from members of the Labour Party in their own time. Door to door, night after night, because they know what they are doing is the right thing. 

Now I was offered leaflets to give out by a marketing company called Dor2dor, who I have done work for in the past, as I could pop my own company leaflets in with their material. These leaflets were Tory leaflets, paying a marketing company to distribute them for the party. So the tax payer were picking up the bill. £120 per 1,000 leaflets NATIONWIDE. 

Also do the Tory Party not have vaulenteers to do this? 

CB Saint posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by Sfcsim

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by CB Saint

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42264630

Tricky these electoral finance rules, aren't they.

 Good luck with that.   My experience of campaigning was individuals spending their own money to do the right thing.

 I said this before, the Labour Party hard graft was done by labour members, with money for leaflets and other materials raised from members of the Labour Party in their own time. Door to door, night after night, because they know what they are doing is the right thing. 

Now I was offered leaflets to give out by a marketing company called Dor2dor, who I have done work for in the past, as I could pop my own company leaflets in with their material. These leaflets were Tory leaflets, paying a marketing company to distribute them for the party. So the tax payer were picking up the bill. £120 per 1,000 leaflets NATIONWIDE. 

Also do the Tory Party not have vaulenteers to do this? 

 Too busy earning millions printing leaflets for Labour volunteers to stuff through doors.

pap posted this 6 days ago

The lack of youth support is the real structural problem for the Tories, especially as most of their voters are closer to mortality than the ones they cannot attract.   I campaigned in a marginal on election day and we didn't see a single Tory team.

The only youth they'll get are those that are wealthy, or those that find a home for their innate contrarianism.

The Tories have previously benefited from excellent media, but elections are about getting the vote out, as Theresa May found to her cost, as will the next Tory that contests a general election.

CB Saint posted this 6 days ago

Originally posted by pap

The lack of youth support is the real structural problem for the Tories, especially as most of their voters are closer to mortality than the ones they cannot attract.   I campaigned in a marginal on election day and we didn't see a single Tory team.

The only youth they'll get are those that are wealthy, or those that find a home for their innate contrarianism.

The Tories have previously benefited from excellent media, but elections are about getting the vote out, as Theresa May found to her cost, as will the next Tory that contests a general election.

 Hasn’t this always been the case.

Unis have been a rich hunting ground for labour for as long as I can remember. Then they get into the real world and their attitudes change as the grow older and gain experience

pap posted this 6 days ago

Originally posted by CB Saint

 Hasn’t this always been the case.

Unis have been a rich hunting ground for labour for as long as I can remember. Then they get into the real world and their attitudes change as the grow older and gain experience

 I think what's changed, both with the Leave position in the EU referendum and the Labour Party, is the expansion of the franchise.   On June 23rd 2016, there were thousands of people at polling stations asking how it was you actually voted.

The same thing has happened in Labour.   I joined for the first time in 2012, eventually doing the offs because they wanted to run a general election campaign without offering anything concrete on an EU referendum.   The party then, in Wavertree Liverpool, was a mixed of wide-eyed Blair zealots and people that had their political views trampled on so many times they'd stopped caring.   They knew how the party machinery worked.   They knew they couldn't change it.

The difference in the 2017 general election couldn't have been more pronounced.  Those Blairites were all over the party.   We had the coup the year before, which couldn't have helped.   There were reports that the likes of Iain McNicol deliberately defunded marginal campaigning, and given the way the same party apparatus tried to keep Corbyn off the 2016 ballot, actually going to court, it would be no surprise whatsoever.

And do you know what? (as JC might say).

It didn't matter.   It mattered to the extent that we did not get a majority, but we did retain those marginals.    While McNicol was busy defunding marginals, Momentum put up a site called "Where's my nearest marginal?".   Labour members of all stripes flocked to them.

I'll always remember where I was at 21:30 on June 8th.   I was in a hastily-commandeered leisure centre, repurposed to serve as campaign headquarters.   We'd had initial reports from the wards come in.   Margaret Greenwood had a majority of 430 in 2015, and it seemed that we'd smashed it.   Margaret herself was weeping genuine tears of joy.

That's the difference scale makes.