Puel v Conman EPL comparison

This is the post-truth era, can we just agree that Koeman is an alt-good manager and that Puel will Make Southampton Great Again?

I don’t know what to believe in anymore

Originally posted by @KRG

I don’t know what to believe in anymore

The innate goodness in the world and Father Christmas…

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At the moment Puel is ahead of Koeman especially if you factor in Euro and EFL Cup results.

However the remaining fixtures produced better results for Konman so we need to go on a similar run to better last season.

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What we can agree on is that Everton are 15 points off what their fans expected and lost their biggest game of the season in injury time this week.

Meanwhile Koeman is whistling merrily to himself as he wanders down the bank pushing a wheelbarrow of cash.

Update…

| | | Result 15-16 | Pts | For | Against | | Result 16-17 | Pts | For | Against |
| Newcastle United | away | D2-2 | 1 | 2 | 2 | Hull | L 1-2 | 0 | 1 | 2 |
| Everton | home | L0-3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | | W 1-0 | 3 | 1 | 0 |
| Watford | away | D0-0 | | | | | | | | |
| Norwich City | home | W3-0 | 3 | 3 | 0 | Burnely | W 3-1 | 3 | 3 | 1 |
| West Bromwich Albion | away | D0-0 | | | | | | | | |
| Manchester United | home | L2-3 | | | | | | | | |
| Swansea City | home | W3-1 | 3 | 3 | 1 | | W 1-0 | 3 | 1 | 0 |
| Chelsea | away | W3-1 | | | | | | | | |
| Leicester City | home | D2-2 | | | | | | | | |
| Liverpool | away | D1-1 | | | | | | | | |
| Bournemouth | home | W2-0 | | | | | | | | |
| Sunderland | away | W1-0 | | | | | | | | |
| Stoke City | home | L0-1 | | | | | | | | |
| Manchester City | away | L1-3 | 0 | 1 | 3 | | D 1-1 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| Aston Villa | home | D1-1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | Middlesbrough | W 1-0 | 3 | 1 | 0 |
| Crystal Palace | away | L0-1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | L 0-3 | 0 | 0 | 3 |
| Tottenham Hotspur | home | L0-2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | | L 1-4 | 0 | 1 | 4 |
| Arsenal | home | W4-0 | | | | | | | | |
| West Ham United | away | L1-2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | | W 3-0 | 3 | 3 | 0 |
| Norwich City | away | L0-1 | | | | | | | | |
| Watford | home | W2-0 | 3 | 2 | 0 | | D 1-1 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| West Bromwich Albion | home | W3-0 | 3 | 3 | 0 | | L 1-2 | 0 | 1 | 2 |
| Manchester United | away | W1-0 | 3 | 1 | 0 | | L 0-2 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Arsenal | away | D0-0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | | L 1-2 | 0 | 1 | 2 |
| West Ham United | home | W1-0 | | | | | | | | |
| Swansea City | away | W1-0 | | | | | | | | |
| Chelsea | home | L1-2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | | L 0-2 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Bournemouth | away | L0-2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | | W 3-1 | 3 | 3 | 1 |
| Sunderland | home | D1-1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | | D1-1 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| Stoke City | away | W2-1 | 3 | 2 | 1 | | D 0-0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Liverpool | home | W3-2 | 3 | 3 | 2 | | D 0-0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Leicester City | away | L0-1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | D 0-0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Newcastle United | home | W3-1 | | | | | | | | |
| Everton | away | D1-1 | | | | | | | | |
| Aston Villa | away | W4-2 | | | | | | | | |
| Manchester City | home | W4-2 | | | | | | | | |
| Tottenham Hotspur | away | W2-1 | | | | | | | | |
| Crystal Palace | home | W4-1 | | | | | | | | |
| | | | 25 | 24 | 24 | | | 24 | 19 | 22 |

Points gained Conman 25 Puel 24

Goals scored Conman 24 Puel 19

Goals conceded Conman 24 Puel 22

In short we’re worse off with a twat with no plan and a board that wants to sell and not invest, we’re in fucking gravy here boys…

Barry you got 3 downvotes for that post.

Maybe you should reflect on what that means?

What does it mean ?

Fucking gravy

I have no idea what that means

NB I didn’t vote down as I cant vote down unless I know what it means.

I could post the lottery numbers and it’ll still get downvoted, it doesn’t stop me being wrong, our team is worse through continued selling and our manager is worse than before as we got him on the cheap, he is out of his depth.

surely you should say “it doesn’t stop me being right”?

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Yeah, I just read the downvotes so I don’t know why you got them.

But as I was one of the, now 5, downvoters, I’ll tell you why I did it.

It’s not the substance of what you’re posting, it’s the way you’re posting it.

I see other members are now questioning Puel, the team, our tactics, etc.

So you’re not alone in holding those views, but the language you’re using is unique to you - as is the frequency with which you make the same point in different threads.

…our team is worse through continued selling and our manager is worse than before as we got him on the cheap, he is out of his depth.

You see, if you’d posted just that then I’m guessing that instead of downvotes you might actually have got some upvotes.

PS PM me the lottery numbers, please.

What Puel needs is a round of “you don’t know what you’re doing” as soon as he walks out. That’ll rev him up.

After all the ironic cheers for every Forster kick/save seem to be doing his confidence the world of good.

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Hehe …you should post this on the darkside GB. Your blend of ironic humour/common sense will get 'em smiling, while simultaneously educating them to the error of their ways :lou_wink:

Does anyone genuinely have confidence in Puel? Seriously do they? His choices, his tactics? He is woeful.

Who will go in the transfer window as well?

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Good question, Bazza.

I’m struggling if I’m honest. We’ve become a very slow and predictable team under him. Our creative players seem to all be failing to deliver match-changing moves. His possession over everything else philosophy seems to be responsible.

So do I have confidence?

Yeah, I think I still do although it’s being tested. I’ve seen the players do what he wanted from very early in his tenure. That tells me he is a good coach. He’s intelligent and I think he’ll learn that the Prem isn’t like taking Lyon to the Champions League semifinal.

All of that from someone that wasn’t particularly impressed at his appointment. At the time I thought it was risky to change our from-the-under-8s-to-the-first-team philosophy for his diamond approach. In reality he’s been bending that philosophy during his tenure.

So I’ll give him a while longer because, whilst I am a twat, by and large I’m not a knee-jerking, bed-wetting whopper.

Aren’t you concerned that we might simply get someone worse?

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We are getting worse, worse from last season as we have worse players, that’s obvious so add to that a manger who is also the teams performance is undoubtedly going to be poorer, this is a slow run down and sell whilst still in the Premiership policy from the board, I was laughed at for saying a while back what is the point of an academy when we sell, why simply buy and build players like West Brom, if they get Schneiderlin they’ll have a very useful team under Pulis, whilst we’ll have good players ready to be sold under a poor manager, what is the point?

Puel will be retained until the summer

the Players are not convinced yet

Fonte is not shit stirring

ryan has become Bert big bollocks since being capped

Redmond is a shit stirrer and is putting ideas into to the younger players heads

that is my inside track.

oh and Kat still loves the club and Barry is a wazzock

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We are clearly missing something because we are not creating enough, but we are in a very competitive league so thinking we can walk into the top six every season is naive.

Sacking managers regularly has never worked for anyone so I don’t think we should introduce that as a policy.

Puel needs to be given time, and the players need to pull their fucking fingers out.

And you don’t go from tactical genius to ‘inbred cunt’ in a fortnight unless the fans are fickle morons with worthless opinions.

If I was Forster I would despise the fans who abuse me with a passion - there must be nothing worse when you are struggling than to to get ridiculed by your own fans.

So the manager, the players and some of the fans need to have a fucking good look at themselves - and then we can hopefully move forward together.

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