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fair points pap.

I’ll be honest with you, I’m finding it harder and harder to know what is the truth anymore that I’m happier drinking wine and whiskey and waiting for the end.

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I like this report of the Russian UN envoy addressing the UK envoy


‘Don’t you dare insult Russia!’

Russian social media users are criticising the “undiplomatic” language used by their envoy to address his British counterpart at the United Nations.
Russia vetoed a UN Security Council vote on Wednesday that would have condemned the suspected chemical attack in Syria last week.
Vladimir Safronkov, Russia’s Deputy Ambassador, told UK envoy Matthew Rycroft: “Look at me! Don’t turn your eyes away. Why are you looking away?”, adding: “Don’t you dare insult Russia ever again!”
Users pointed out that in the address, he used the informal “you” in Russian or “ty”, which is only used when speaking to small children, friends or family. This is in contrast to the more polite and formal “you” or “vy”.
One anti-Kremlin user tweeted an image depicting Safronkov as a “gopnik” - a pejorative Russian term similar to “chav”.

Dirty nouveau riche. But as they’ll be paying. at least in part, my wages next year I’ll reserve judgment until I see what end of year bling I get given.

Backward gaff on race and sex, pretty backward place really, never fancied going there, a couple of mates work there and say go under the skin of the wealth and its a desperately poor backward shithole.

Yeah - enough about Pompey though


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chechen-police-rounded-up-100-gay-men-report-russian-newspaper-chechnya

As I say backward, Chechnya is a self governing place though (Federal republic), a satellite yes man of Russia (like Bulgaria used to be), predominately Muslim, backward.

Oh fuck off Barry. You’re seriously trying to turn this into an anti Muslim thing again, as if the rest of Russia is so tolerant of gay people?

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Read what I said on the previous post chubby punter, I said Russia was also backward.

It is.

Just what is it you don’t like about Muslims Barry?

I don’t get why you single out a specific faith. Ffs Christianity in it’s various current forms cause enough pain and suffering in the world - admittedly they’re not going ape-shit crazy like IS
more the kiddy-fiddling type of thing in the UK tbf.

Did someone do something bad to you when you were little?

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Can’t I comment on racist and fascist actions in the name of a non proven theory?

The Chechens should be laughed at for their backwardness and intolerant behaviour, no we should be taking in the subjugated from that republic no question.

There we go to even it up.

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I’m pretty disappointed with the general British attitude towards Russia sadly echoed by many who have posted on this thread.

It’s abundantly clear that our government, media and allies have elements which are massively hostile towards Russia, but I would hope that a group of people who generally have a good track record for spotting manipulative media propaganda would be able to resist those forces and take a more balanced view. It seems not.

I’ve visited Russia and the former soviet union as it was around 20 times over the years. I have many friends there and I take an especially strong interest in following the output of the western media and the opinions of British people with respect to a country and people that I have a strong affinity for.

What I observe disgusts me. Essentially hypocrisy, disrespect and racism.

I don’t really have the inclination to justify those statements any further right now. I would just generally like to ask people to be a little more critical of what they read about Russia in the media and to have a bit more respect for a different culture, a different ways of life and a people who have been persecuted and intererfered with by the West to a far greater degree then we have by them. Some of the things I hear said about Russians (on this thread even) are outrageous. If they were said about Black Africans for example people would be up in arms about it.

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Is it true Russians from the west see themselves as superior to the indigenous eastern peoples?

Barry, is it true that people from England generally see themselves as superior to sweaty Jocks like Tokio?

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Well you’ve got me there but I think I was referring more to wide spread discrimination that has been reported on of minorities in the country.

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Barry, I have refrained from commenting on your integration thread, although I have read many of the posts there.

In contrast with some people on here, I have sympathy with your argument that integration is not happening in the UK between Muslims and the prexisiting majority of the population. Like you, I lay the blame for this at the door of religion but also on the aggressive actions of Western governments and the circus that goes with that. I am not a fan of religion in any form whatsoever. It is backward, divisive and too easily used as a tool to exert control over a captive population. I think we have some common ground there (but perhaps I misunderstand).

Where we apparently diverge is when you hold up the UK, the West and Christianity as an example for the other civilisations of the world to emulate. Apparently without recognition that our own way of life, the organisation of our own society, is deeply flawed and in some ways inferior to the places on which you would apparently like to impose our supposed shared values. There are aspects of Russian and Islamic society which are unquestionably backwards, but those societies are able to level equivalent allegations at our own society (some rather random examples in no particular order, glorification of violence in Western entertainment media, recreational usage of alcohol, breakdown of family structures and abandonment of the elderly to carehomes, How’s Britains space programme? prevalence of consumerism and debt within the population at large) Further, you must take account of the historical and geographical context when considering the state of those civilisations. I detect an unjustified level of arrogance to your assertions. If someone points that out and suggests that perhaps our supposed traditional British/Western values are not all their made out to be, your default reposte appears to be to accuse the person of self hating as if to be ashamed of the place you were born is an unthinkable thing.

I embrace your accusation. I genuinely detest a lot of what British society is and what it stands for. The Monarchy, the land owners, the government, the common people, the politics, the institutions, the culture, the history and the arrogance. There is an awful lot there that I am ashamed to be associated with. So many things that we are told we should be proud of are illusory when you dig past the surface. It’s part of the reason I don’t live there anymore. I am still tied to it though and I have every right to criticise it.

If my point has been lost in the rant let me make it again more simply, People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Your criticism of Russia and Islamic society boils down to that.

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Light blue touch paper and stand well back.

Nice post SWDP

Alcohol abuse? Russia certainly has that, family breakdowns have happened with many reasons but in the main they’ve been allowed to because of religious freedoms and womens emancipation, something well worth paying I would hope you agree.

In Human rights and laws we’re miles ahead, why do so many want to live here from places around?

Britains space program? I can’t really answer on where we are and where we’re going on that but it didn’t really help the starving worker in the Soviet Union did it? In Britain we’d take the piss for calling it chest beating cod shite, when others do it we applaud it, a great marker to your Nation, values and prosperity is doing is to how many want to live in that said World and sphere, you fancy being an average Russian or Somalian?

Russia is losing its sphere of influence hence the invasion of Crimea, (Eu’s fault for pressing Ukraine into a corner on joining NATO and the like) and dipping its toes all along its borders with other former states interfering.

The West and the UK are far from perfect but we’re the best there is, name a better?

Human Rights - The West

Religious Freedoms - The West

Why are we the best for those?

There is no default position I fall back on as I am allowed to criticise our religions and laws and long may that continue, others have a more backward closed stance.

I certainly do not hold up christianity as a beacon, from the reformation onwards there was a huge surge in rights, welfare and prosperity, from this came a more scientific approach and in turn the questioning itself of religion, other relgions haven’t fully had this transition and nor are they being allowed to, again backward ie retaining power on peoples ignorance.