The Adventures of the SNP

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pap posted this 15 October 2016

I love the Scots.  I think it'd be a real shame if they leave, and no disrespect, Lord D, but I think we can agree that attitudes like yours drive a bit of the need for separation, which ultimately helps the SNP.

We'd be mad to let them go.   We presently benefit from having sovereignty over the entire island, and no formal border within.  Ok, each constituent nation proudly sighs when you enter them, but there are no checkpoints.

I wonder if in your reactionary drive to get the Scots out, you've really considered all of the implications, especially as someone that have been massively vocal on the Brexit cause.

After getting rid of that pesky EU that we both disagreed with in its present form, do you really want to have all those problems on your doorstep?   

SuperMikey posted this 16 October 2016

Originally posted by Lord Duckhunter

Originally posted by SuperMikey

Originally posted by Lord Duckhunter

I don't buy into the arguement that the Bexit vote changed anything . Surely they knew that by voting to stay in they were participating in UK wide elections and uk wide decisions . Part of deciding to be in the uk is accepting uk wide  election result It's not like they didn't know that the Tories were committed to a referendum when they had their indie vote

 Don't buy that at all LD, David Cameron himself was campaigning for No on the basis that it would secure Scotland's membership in the EU - the referendum pledge only popped up on the Tory manifesto a year after the first Independence referendum.

 Not true I'm afraid . Indi referendum was on 18/9/14 . Cameron announced he'd give an eu vote on 23/1/13 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

 Fair enough, got my dates wrong on that. Still, a pivotal point of the No campaign was retaining EU membership - that has changed now so Scotland has every right to re-evaluate in light of the change in circumstances.

pap posted this 16 October 2016

Originally posted by SuperMikey

Originally posted by Lord Duckhunter

Originally posted by SuperMikey

Originally posted by Lord Duckhunter

I don't buy into the arguement that the Bexit vote changed anything . Surely they knew that by voting to stay in they were participating in UK wide elections and uk wide decisions . Part of deciding to be in the uk is accepting uk wide  election result It's not like they didn't know that the Tories were committed to a referendum when they had their indie vote

 Don't buy that at all LD, David Cameron himself was campaigning for No on the basis that it would secure Scotland's membership in the EU - the referendum pledge only popped up on the Tory manifesto a year after the first Independence referendum.

 Not true I'm afraid . Indi referendum was on 18/9/14 . Cameron announced he'd give an eu vote on 23/1/13 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

 Fair enough, got my dates wrong on that. Still, a pivotal point of the No campaign was retaining EU membership - that has changed now so Scotland has every right to re-evaluate in light of the change in circumstances.

I've never gotten this.

Secure your sovereignty from the Brits only to cede it to the EU.   

SuperMikey posted this 17 October 2016

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by SuperMikey

Originally posted by Lord Duckhunter

Originally posted by SuperMikey

Originally posted by Lord Duckhunter

I don't buy into the arguement that the Bexit vote changed anything . Surely they knew that by voting to stay in they were participating in UK wide elections and uk wide decisions . Part of deciding to be in the uk is accepting uk wide  election result It's not like they didn't know that the Tories were committed to a referendum when they had their indie vote

 Don't buy that at all LD, David Cameron himself was campaigning for No on the basis that it would secure Scotland's membership in the EU - the referendum pledge only popped up on the Tory manifesto a year after the first Independence referendum.

 Not true I'm afraid . Indi referendum was on 18/9/14 . Cameron announced he'd give an eu vote on 23/1/13 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

 Fair enough, got my dates wrong on that. Still, a pivotal point of the No campaign was retaining EU membership - that has changed now so Scotland has every right to re-evaluate in light of the change in circumstances.

I've never gotten this.

Secure your sovereignty from the Brits only to cede it to the EU.   

 I don't see complete autonomy as necessary - a country of Scotland's size is much more influential within the EU than outside it. I'd take a few laws being dictated to us for a seat at the table and generous subsidies in farming and renewables.

pap posted this 29 December 2017

Judging from the sort of debates I've had on Twitter lately, the Nats are rattled about Corbyn big time.   I've jousted with a few jocks now that are all too willing to throw bad Labour stat after bad Labour stat into the mix.   Furthermore, I do not contest these statistics.   Game, set and match to Sturgeon's lot, surely?

Well, no.   Charmingly for us Sotonians, the SNP seemed to have developed the same "cut off point memory" which means that they are only aware of events up to a certain point in time.   That would be 2015.

Corbyn has not been elected in their rhetorical universe.   The Labour party is still, according to them, New Labour.

I suspect the answer is that they've no answer for Corbyn.    They fought the last election mostly on independence, a flagging cause that allowed Ruth Davidson to fight on a unionist cause.   They're now up against a Scottish Labour party that has a leadership that actually reflects the one down south.

And I think they're shit scared.