🖖 Star Trek returning to small screens :starfleet:

Damm, someone has already taken the whinging role :lou_sad:

Maybe next time.

P. S If you read back you may find i suggested exploring other characters.

I honestly don’t know why you find the relationships so troublesome. All of them are serving the narrative in better ways than not doing them would. We care more about Stamets because we also care about Culver. We know the Tyler=Voq thing will hit even harder because Burnham thinks so much of him. Cornwell’s relationship with Lorca has already provided crucial clues about his background that couldn’t have been gotten at any other way.

Besides, the older Trek was far more unrealistic in this regard. People not wanting to shag the only other people for light years around. What’s up with that?

I’m with you on the other relationships, but the instant love match forced on us(together every mission) is just shit. Isn’t she part Klingon? Are they normally impetuous?

Was he an after thought, because someone had an idea(voq relationship maybe) and they wanted to work it in? That’s how it looks. Think back, he was a prisoner being tortured and the next day he’s fucking security chief of not just a starship, but the most important one, going on every mission, whilst failing in love.

I would kill him off as quick as they can, but they won’t, they’ll take the lazy option.

Forget love boat, it’ll end up more, Jeremy Kyle in space.

Burnham is human, but was raised on Vulcan after being adopted by Sarek at the age of ten. Lorca owed his escape to Tyler, saw how handy he was and absent a security officer after the death of Landry, put him in that spot. The show itself has questioned this decision, along with the decision to appoint Burnham in any capacity whatsoever. Both are Lorca’s calls, and to me, the relationship is completely natural within the context. Apart from Lorca, Tyler was literally the only person to talk to Burnham that doesn’t have to. She lives with Tilly, and works with all the other characters. He sought her out. Add that to Lorca’s appraisal, their respective skills (she did kill T’Kuvma) it’s not a stretch that they get put on missions together.

I’m with the Internet on this one. Tyler is Voq, and the minute he is, his fascination with Burnham is all the more explainable. For the record, I don’t think he knows he’s Voq, but he’s starting to work it out.

Another thing I’m with the Internet on is Lorca being from the Mirror Universe. The original Lorca went down with his ship. This one is a replacement, which is why he knows about alternate universes, why he deliberately fucked Stamets up to get there, why Cornwell thinks “he’s like a different person” and why he has this inexplicable connection to Burnham. He probably knows her counterpart in the Mirror Universe.

He is not a Federation officer. If he’s an officer of any stripe, he’s working for the Terran Empire, and if that turns out to be the case, it’s just going to put the icing on the cake on what is the finest nine-episode run of Trek ever, justifying both the serialised nature of the show and the character decisions it has made.

Fucking hell, i’m never mentioning star trek to you at prematch beers :lou_lol:

Good write up. Do these people on the Internet take a lot of drugs?

Do the script writers just look at the Internet and water it down a bit, add a shit love story then regurgitate?

They take a lot of continuity.

If you want to get prepared for the last half of the season, watch “In a Mirror Darkly”, Enterprise.

It’s on Netflix, and it’s excellent. They even did a special intro.

I think @bearsy should make a video based off it after his original effort. It’s basically papsweb post-referendum :lou_sunglasses:

Bloody hell

Kill Bill Shatner 2?

Lots of storyline speculation but talk about big guns compared to His bless him Simon Pegg’s script

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Phasers set to KILL, muthaf**kas!

Yes, I’d watch that.

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From Dusk to Trek, I could be interested in that…

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Meet the real Paul Stamets.

And set mind to blown.

They’e BACK!

OOF.

No spoilers

All Hail

Long live

Back with a bang

I enjoyed it very muchly, especially Tilly

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I’ll try not to spoil too much, but the benefits of planning a whole season, as opposed to a series of individual episodes. Last night’s episode was a joy to watch in itself. It’ll be easy to be accused of hyperbole, but again, it’s some of the best Trek I’ve ever seen. It’s the planning that really impresses.

I’m listening to Permanent RCRD’s Trek podcast at the moment. I recommend it highly, because they nail just exactly how clever this show has been in terms of plotting and foreshadowing. “Captain” Tilly has been a thing throughout, ever since she stated her ambition to be one, and being called “Captain” by Stamets after one of his tardigrade trips. I guess we have an idea of where his mind went now.

The boys on the podcast talk about how well the theme of duality has been nurtured all along; the opening episode was called “The Battle of the Binary Stars”, Tyler’s got a duality all of his own, you’ve Lorca, the most unStarfleet Captain ever to have existed (this episode does fuck all to refute the theory that he is Mirror Lorca) and then you’ve got the conflict between the values of Starfleet and the Federation and the things it is prepared to do in its name for its survival. Mirror Lorca probably doesn’t help.

Standalone, it’s one of the best Trek episodes I have ever seen. Considered in context, both in this show, and the way it seems to be tying up with Star Trek: Enterprise canon, and it’s fucking magnificent.

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Agree with mostly all that, didn’t really watch enterprise so can’t comment how it ties in so I’ll take your word. I’m looking forward to meeting mirror Burnham as I will surely like that one if she is the opposite to the one we have.

We won’t see Mirror Burnham.

I reckon we should presume her actually dead, killed by Mirror Lorca, as the record states.

The interesting thing is that the Terran Empire has not been able to lay hands on him. until now.

I wonder why? :lou_sunglasses:

Guess these people don’t like it very much

The latest Trek episode is inside my mind.

Super stuff, as usual, with only one plot line floundering a bit. Another big fan theory finally confirmed; there’s simply no way back. The Mirror Lorca theory gets yet another boost in the opening monologue when Burnham, considering her situation after some time commanding an ISS ship, says “even the light isn’t the same here”.

I do however, have a big problem with the internal logic of this episode. Without saying who, the identity of the Terran Emperor is revealed in this episode. It’s a big moment. It’s a great moment, and in the moment, the Rule of Cool completely overtook me. As I lay back in the Star Trek equivalent of post coital contemplation, I’m somewhat more critical.

Last episode, they theived a data module from the wreckage of a starship. Damaged as it was, this module contained vital information, such as who the Captain of the ISS Discovery was, the fate of Mirror Burnham and Mirror Lorca was known, and indeed became an integral part of the plan, driving plot arcs forward.

They know a LOT about the Mirror Universe.

So how comes they didn’t Stargoogle who the fucking Emperor was?

I know _why _they did it dramatically, but it’s a plot hole the size of a black hole. I daren’t look on Twitter.

You missed the real question Pap.

Last week’ After Trek implied the Doc isn’ dead yet won’ be in the Mirror Universe.

Steamers corals but doesn’ and chats with…

So how does ISS Disco get around.

Also perhaps Burnhams reaction is horror at having her plan (& life prospects) screwed by the Emperor showing up to finish the job.

But I agree it is superb TV and Trek on steroids

I like most trekkies rejoiced at the release of the Kelvin timeline movies. We finally had Trek back. It had faults but we loved it.

Then we got Star Trek Beyond. No not Simon Pegg’s perjury, I mean next level. Game Over Beyond.

No spoilers - too early in the week, but as the strands come together in Discovery (pap’s plot hole not withstanding) we are seeing just how good this new iteration is.

It is Epic

Hard to see how the Movie franchise with it’s bad guy formula can hope to compete.

#rimship

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That was pretty special, and yes, I agree with Phil’s comments about Discovery nurturing the ultimate Star Trek villain.

I’m not as arsed about the plothole. I went back and rewatched the Mirror Universe episodes before now, and to be fair to them, they referred to the Terran Empire having a faceless Emperor. Good enough for me, especially given how cool it was to see Georgiou again, now in Emperor form.

The big B plot was Stamets finding his way out of his mycellium-induced coma, which was very sweet. The C plot was Tyler, and Saru’s attempts to enlist a reluctant L’Renn in his treatment.

However, it’s the main plot that really delivered this week, mostly because it drops the bombshell on the audience that they’ve been watching it all along. Alright, the clues have been copious and much discussed online, but no-one is going to finish this season thinking the writers have been pulling this shit out of their arses at random. No-one’s going to write angry letters saying “you pulled some LOST level shit there, dudes”.

Kudos to the writer. They’ve layered the show like an especially fine lasagne, except when you see this episode, look at those that preceded it, you’ll realise that unlike the insta-gut Italian dish, there’s no fucking fat in this at all.