Star Trek returning to small screens

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Dubai_Phil posted this 2 weeks ago

Good review Pap.

That was one of the best Trek episodes since Voyager 😎

Really enjoying the love the writers have now for the show and it' history.

Saint or sinner posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by PhilippineSaint

Personally Dr Who is better than any Trek 

And i have watched most episodes of both series.

 

 I think you've got rose-tinted specs on, or you've forgotten many years of low budget Who. Didn't Pertwee spend years just hanging out with The Brigadier? 

  You're caught up in the flashing lights @pap

  Dr Who has always had a superior script, whilst being 50% shorter(never been interrupted by an advert either).

  That episode could have been really good, but what a shit start. You have to send two people, to what should be their obvious death and you allow two of the most important senior officers to go? Fuck off, you're sacked.

 The middle was good.

 The end was predictable dross(but the middle was good enough to over look this(but not the start, that was unforgivable)).

 What the fuck is a mid season finale?

 Have you all gone mental? A season is weather related(as people are soon to remember). And stopping a series under any guise half way through is taking the piss out of the gullible.

 American tv is a fucking idiots game.

 

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pap posted this 2 weeks ago - Last edited 2 weeks ago

Not really sure you understand how fiction works, SoS.

The two people were sent on the away mission because these are two of the people we know the best.  Furthermore, Lorca really didn't want to send one of them.  That, by the way happens because the writers are showing that given a similar situation, Burnham has grown.

Then you look at how both their times ended up by the end of the episode, and it makes total sense, from plot and fiction perspective.

As for the end of the show, yes, we all saw most of that coming, because the show telegraphed it big style earlier in the episode.  Perhaps you missed it, but I never predicted Lorca would deliberately stitch the jump (and Stamets) up.

I've got two months to stew on it.   That's what they call a mid season finale.

PhilippineSaint posted this 2 weeks ago

You mean I have to wait 2 months for the next episode oh shit!

Anyway Dr Who will be back by then lou_lol

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Saint or sinner posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by pap

Not really sure you understand how fiction works, SoS.

 I understand it just fine. I also understand there is good fiction and shit fiction.

The two people were sent on the away mission because these are two of the people we know the best.  Furthermore, Lorca really didn't want to send one of them.  That, by the way happens because the writers are showing that given a similar situation, Burnham has grown.

Then you look at how both their times ended up by the end of the episode, and it makes total sense, from plot and fiction perspective.

  One was a new character just the other week, but since then the two of them have been on every mission together. It's been turned into fucking love boat in space.

As for the end of the show, yes, we all saw most of that coming, because the show telegraphed it big style earlier in the episode.  Perhaps you missed it, but I never predicted Lorca would deliberately stitch the jump (and Stamets) up.

 I didn't predict it either, but it's not surprising and has been done before. Lazy writing.

I've got two months to stew on it.  That's what they call a mid season finale.

  Mid series and finale surely don't belong together.

You're a marketing man's dream punterlou_lol

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pap posted this 1 weeks ago

Alright then, @Saint or sinner.  Tell us how that episode could have been improved. 

And as for marketing, guilty as charged.   I was plugging this show before it had even been cast.

Saint or sinner posted this 1 weeks ago

They could desist from turning it into love boat in space. That would help a lot. The way they have forced it is laughable. There is no  real story to justify it. Weak and predictable to tick a required marketeers box.

But, i'm still watching it remember, so it's not all bad(until they stopped me watching halfway through the series. That is bad).

I like it @papbut they do seem to be doing all in their power to ruin it.  The base of all the stories have been good, but diminished by shit brain dead filler. I find that very annoying. The captain, her with the blokes name, the gay bloke and the lanky one are the only characters in it(need to dump the love interest, he's shit and the whiny one is just there as filler. Although, as i predicted, she has been told, she will indeed make captain. That's fucking laughable). They really need to expand it. Who's the little one with the facepaint that looks like they should be in Covent Garden? That one layer of facepaint is one more layer than you'll ever get out of the love interest.

Remind me in two months(your honesty in your last paragraph makes this a given) and i will watch it again(and moan, i'm sure).

 

 

 

pap posted this 1 weeks ago

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

They could desist from turning it into love boat in space. That would help a lot. The way they have forced it is laughable. There is no  real story to justify it. Weak and predictable to tick a required marketeers box.

 

What a script!   Let's get that on screen, sharpish.  

Dubai_Phil posted this 1 weeks ago

I'm kind of surprised everyone missed one epoch changing moment in this weeks episode.

The first ever Gay Kiss.

Now about Mid Season Breaks.

Next weekend it will be Thanksgiving. So every traditional TV show will be pulling out the BIG EVENTS.

Then every show on US TV runs intgo Christmas and Holiday Season and audiences tend to only watch stuff with Santa and shit.

Finally, they were pushing the envelope all the way and filming was delayed. However the CBS All Access Pass is their game changing platform entry into streaming - which EVERY other studio is now doing. They had to hit release date which was already delayed.

Simple fact is that they only finished filming about 3 weeks ago and the VFX/CGI crew simply aren't ready to release the completed new episodes yet.

Courtesy of Trekcore btw not me being ITK nerdy.

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Saint or sinner posted this 1 weeks ago

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

They could desist from turning it into love boat in space. That would help a lot. The way they have forced it is laughable. There is no  real story to justify it. Weak and predictable to tick a required marketeers box.

 

What a script!   Let's get that on screen, sharpish.  

  Where? You never asked for a script, only how the episode could be improved.

 If you wanted a script you could have saved us both some time by just asking, saving me the time writing the above and this.

No(just in case you were going to ask).

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Bearsy posted this 1 weeks ago

v.wise. It's not like he'd back down if you handed in a superior script. He'd have made you film it.

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pap posted this 1 weeks ago

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

They could desist from turning it into love boat in space. That would help a lot. The way they have forced it is laughable. There is no  real story to justify it. Weak and predictable to tick a required marketeers box.

 

What a script!   Let's get that on screen, sharpish.  

  Where? You never asked for a script, only how the episode could be improved.

 If you wanted a script you could have saved us both some time by just asking, saving me the time writing the above and this.

No(just in case you were going to ask).

 So taking out five to ten minutes and replacing it with nowt, then?

Saint or sinner posted this 1 weeks ago

There are people that get paid very well to do that job. Moan at them for their lazy attitude to content and yourself for accepting it.

pap posted this 1 weeks ago

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

There are people that get paid very well to do that job. Moan at them for their lazy attitude to content and yourself for accepting it.

 Complaining without offering a solution is just whining.

 

Saint or sinner posted this 6 days ago

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

There are people that get paid very well to do that job. Moan at them for their lazy attitude to content and yourself for accepting it.

 Complaining without offering a solution is just whining.

 

 Damm, someone has already taken the whinging rolelou_sad

Maybe next time.

 P. S If you read back you may find i suggested exploring other characters.

 

pap posted this 6 days ago

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

There are people that get paid very well to do that job. Moan at them for their lazy attitude to content and yourself for accepting it.

 Complaining without offering a solution is just whining.

 

 Damm, someone has already taken the whinging rolelou_sad

Maybe next time.

 P. S If you read back you may find i suggested exploring other characters.

 I honestly don't know why you find the relationships so troublesome.   All of them are serving the narrative in better ways than not doing them would.  We care more about Stamets because we also care about Culver.   We know the Tyler=Voq thing will hit even harder because Burnham thinks so much of him.   Cornwell's relationship with Lorca has already provided crucial clues about his background that couldn't have been gotten at any other way.

Besides, the older Trek was far more unrealistic in this regard.   People not wanting to shag the only other people for light years around.  What's up with that?

Saint or sinner posted this 6 days ago

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

There are people that get paid very well to do that job. Moan at them for their lazy attitude to content and yourself for accepting it.

 Complaining without offering a solution is just whining.

 

 Damm, someone has already taken the whinging rolelou_sad

Maybe next time.

 P. S If you read back you may find i suggested exploring other characters.

 I honestly don't know why you find the relationships so troublesome.   All of them are serving the narrative in better ways than not doing them would.  We care more about Stamets because we also care about Culver.   We know the Tyler=Voq thing will hit even harder because Burnham thinks so much of him.   Cornwell's relationship with Lorca has already provided crucial clues about his background that couldn't have been gotten at any other way.

Besides, the older Trek was far more unrealistic in this regard.   People not wanting to shag the only other people for light years around.  What's up with that?

 I'm with you on the other relationships, but the instant love match forced on us(together every mission) is just shit. Isn't she part Klingon? Are they normally impetuous?

Was he an after thought, because someone had an idea(voq relationship maybe) and they wanted to work it in? That's how it looks. Think back, he was a prisoner being tortured and the next day he's fucking security chief of not just a starship, but the most important one, going on every mission, whilst failing in love. 

I would kill him off as quick as they can, but they won't, they'll take the lazy option.

Forget love boat, it'll end up more, Jeremy Kyle in space.

pap posted this 6 days ago - Last edited 6 days ago

Burnham is human, but was raised on Vulcan after being adopted by Sarek at the age of ten.   Lorca owed his escape to Tyler, saw how handy he was and absent a security officer after the death of Landry, put him in that spot.   The show itself has questioned this decision, along with the decision to appoint Burnham in any capacity whatsoever.    Both are Lorca's calls, and to me, the relationship is completely natural within the context.   Apart from Lorca, Tyler was literally the only person to talk to Burnham that doesn't have to.   She lives with Tilly, and works with all the other characters.  He sought her out.   Add that to Lorca's appraisal, their respective skills (she did kill T'Kuvma) it's not a stretch that they get put on missions together.

I'm with the Internet on this one.  Tyler is Voq, and the minute he is, his fascination with Burnham is all the more explainable.   For the record, I don't think he knows he's Voq, but he's starting to work it out.

Another thing I'm with the Internet on is Lorca being from the Mirror Universe.   The original Lorca went down with his ship.   This one is a replacement, which is why he knows about alternate universes, why he deliberately fucked Stamets up to get there, why Cornwell thinks "he's like a different person" and why he has this inexplicable connection to Burnham.   He probably knows her counterpart in the Mirror Universe.

He is not a Federation officer.   If he's an officer of any stripe, he's working for the Terran Empire, and if that turns out to be the case, it's just going to put the icing on the cake on what is the finest nine-episode run of Trek ever, justifying both the serialised nature of the show and the character decisions it has made.

Saint or sinner posted this 6 days ago

Fucking hell, i'm never mentioning star trek to you at prematch beerslou_lol

Good write up. Do these people on the Internet take a lot of drugs?

Do the script writers just look at the Internet and water it down a bit, add a shit love story then regurgitate?

pap posted this 6 days ago - Last edited 6 days ago

They take a lot of continuity.

If you want to get prepared for the last half of the season, watch "In a Mirror Darkly", Enterprise.

It's on Netflix, and it's excellent.  They even did a special intro.

I think @Bearsy should make a video based off it after his original effort.  It's basically papsweb post-referendum lou_sunnies