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Dubai_Phil posted this 27 October 2017

The UN are confident.

wtf does that mean?

52% of Brita were confident about Brexit.

Many of you on the match day thread are confident about us beating Brighton.

May was confident about calling an election

Etc  

Dubai_Phil posted this 12 November 2017 - Last edited 12 November 2017

Thought I'd post this in here. A lot has been going on don here of late, and this article sums up the Guradian's analysis. I won't comment on that.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/11/lebanon-saudi-arabia-iran--power-struggle-saad-hariri-resignation

What is true is that Iraq WAS the balance in the web down here and the US did drop an almighty clanger. 

Now more than anything this part of the world stands to be somewhere to keep an eye on. 

What I would say is how much of this stuff has happened SINCE Trump visited Saudi, but no I won't speculate.

Even more dangerous times.

Cobham Saint posted this 12 November 2017

I suppose that in Tango Man's mind a war will be fine as it'll be two branches of Islam killing each other - so fewer terrorists to bomb the west.

Suspect we'll be drawn in to it - on the Saudi side - especially as we have that clown BoJo looking after our foreign interests.

Goatboy posted this 12 November 2017 - Last edited 12 November 2017

From what I have read neither the US nor Israel are keen on war in Lebanon.

I would be more worried if I was living in Qatar.  The crown Prince will want to flex some muscle and having bombed the fuck out of Yemen I reckon the tanks could have a run out in Qatar. 

Goatboy posted this 13 November 2017 - Last edited 13 November 2017

Would have been nice of the Beeb to credit RT as they've been banging on about this for ages.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/raqqas_dirty_secret

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Goatboy posted this 04 December 2017

You would hope that your tax is being spent wisely. Maybe on the NHS, schooling or something eh?

lou_facepalm2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42217132

pap posted this 04 December 2017

Originally posted by Goatboy

You would hope that your tax is being spent wisely. Maybe on the NHS, schooling or something eh?

lou_facepalm2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42217132

 Let's not forget that Priti Patel had agreed to fund the Israeli Defence Force in occupied terrority, not least because it makes this easier to swallow.

Cobham Saint posted this 04 December 2017

Originally posted by pap

Originally posted by Goatboy

You would hope that your tax is being spent wisely. Maybe on the NHS, schooling or something eh?

lou_facepalm2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42217132

 Let's not forget that Priti Patel had agreed to fund the Israeli Defence Force in occupied terrority, not least because it makes this easier to swallow.

 I guess one man's extremist' is another man's freedom fighter. Personally I think we tend to forget that when it comes to Israel in the occupied territories but the mainstream media doesn't like to put it that way.

Dubai_Phil posted this 21 January 2018

Yep about covers it

Particularly the last line

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/21/observer-view-war-in-syria

Goatboy posted this 21 January 2018

Originally posted by Dubai_Phil

Yep about covers it

Particularly the last line

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/21/observer-view-war-in-syria

 That article mentions nothing of Russia being in Syria at the request of the legitimate Syrian Government.

Nor of the Western (UK/US/EU) support for terrorist (read moderate) opposition groups.

It mentions the Russian/Assad bombing of Idlib but does not say that it was US forces which supervised the withdrawal of Nusra Front/Al Quaida fighters from Aleppo and elsewhere to Idlib. There is no mention of regime change which is what it's about.

 

Dubai_Phil posted this 21 January 2018

Originally posted by Goatboy

Originally posted by Dubai_Phil

Yep about covers it

Particularly the last line

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/21/observer-view-war-in-syria

 That article mentions nothing of Russia being in Syria at the request of the legitimate Syrian Government.

Nor of the Western (UK/US/EU) support for terrorist (read moderate) opposition groups.

It mentions the Russian/Assad bombing of Idlib but does not say that it was US forces which supervised the withdrawal of Nusra Front/Al Quaida fighters from Aleppo and elsewhere to Idlib. There is no mention of regime change which is what it's about.

 

 Which, considering it is from the usually Left leaning Grauniad is odd.

But the final line is still much pretty much the case.

Other tales emerging now from Tunisia about how Regime Change there is failing the population and protests are again spreading.

All around the same time I've been asked to prepare a synopsis for a Paper at a high end Academic Uni conference in EU later in the year about conflict. me? Academic? I can't even use a spell checker properly 

 

Dubai_Phil posted this 21 January 2018

And the cluster fvck continues

How the US has managed to end up on the other side of one of their most important allies lou_facepalm2

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/21/turkey-starts-ground-incursion-into-kurdish-controlled-afrin-in-syria

Goatboy posted this 3 weeks ago

I have just been reading an account (by Robert Fisk) of the suffering of civilians (and particularly children with various cancers caused by the use of depleted unranium shells) in Iraq.

It paints a pretty bleak picture of how the US and allies sacrificed innocents to promote regime change.

I'll pop a review in the What are you reading thread sometime but in the meantime, whilst reading about today's 'self-defence' US bombing raid in Syria, I came across this:

https://zeroanthropology.net/2014/09/11/the-terrorism-we-support-in-syria-a-first-hand-account-of-the-use-of-mortars-against-civilians/

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Goatboy posted this 2 weeks ago

Cobham Saint posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by Goatboy

 Personally I just call them deluded murderers. Works for me every time.

Saint or sinner posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by Cobham Saint

Originally posted by Goatboy

 Personally I just call them deluded murderers. Works for me every time.

 Can we include Western governments and the terrorist state(Israel) in that description? These people were small scale, but our western (and terrorist) governments, like the beatles, dealt in millions.

We are the ones that starve and burn innocent women and children on an industrial scale and have been doing since we discovered what they have and we desperately need, to keep our unsustainable, ecosystem destroying lives, in the deluded bubble we presently live in. Syria(all for a pipeline) and Yemen are hideous cases, but then look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya(what was the real reason behind that one?), Palestine(what's left) and particularly for me, Gaza(what's abundant just off the coast line?). 

The whole western system is a lesson in total addiction to murder and destruction(as long as it's not on our doorstep), so addictive that we can't even start to think about the change(scientifically proven beyond doubt) that's coming whether we like it or not, so we keep on burning women, children and life itself, all because we like the easy life and are too conceited to admit what's inevitably coming to our own doorstep.

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Goatboy posted this 2 weeks ago - Last edited 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

Originally posted by Cobham Saint

Originally posted by Goatboy

 Personally I just call them deluded murderers. Works for me every time.

 Can we include Western governments and the terrorist state(Israel) in that description? These people were small scale, but our western (and terrorist) governments, like the beatles, dealt in millions.

We are the ones that starve and burn innocent women and children on an industrial scale and have been doing since we discovered what they have and we desperately need, to keep our unsustainable, ecosystem destroying lives, in the deluded bubble we presently live in. Syria(all for a pipeline) and Yemen are hideous cases, but then look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya(what was the real reason behind that one?), Palestine(what's left) and particularly for me, Gaza(what's abundant just off the coast line?). 

The whole western system is a lesson in total addiction to murder and destruction(as long as it's not on our doorstep), so addictive that we can't even start to think about the change(scientifically proven beyond doubt) that's coming whether we like it or not, so we keep on burning women, children and life itself, all because we like the easy life and are too conceited to admit what's inevitably coming to our own doorstep.

 Indeed. Just study the Gulf war (the real Gulf war, the one between Iraq and Iran 80-89 ish).

A war in which the US + alllies supported Saddam against Iran. Sold him billions of dollars/pounds of weapons..

A war in which Saddam invaded Iran. Used chemicals (bought from Germany) against Iranians . Flew French Mirage jets targetted by  US battlefield satellite intelligence.

We have no moral high ground in the middle east or anywhere else.

 

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Saint or sinner posted this 2 weeks ago

Go back 100 years even and what do you find? The Sykes-Picot Agreement.

We are insatiable in our desire for energy, at whatever the self destructive cost.

Goatboy posted this 2 weeks ago

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

Go back 100 years even and what do you find? The Sykes-Picot Agreement.

We are insatiable in our desire for energy, at whatever the self destructive cost.

 Or earlier to 1908 when BP was born as the Anglo-Persian Oil Company.

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