Barry Sanchez posted this 2 days ago

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

 Who's historically killed more innocent people for influence in the middle east, Russia or the UK?

 Is there evidence that Russia funds, arms and gives tactical support to known foreign jihadists(who sends them)?

I'll buy a drink for anyone that can name all the terrorist groups in Syria, that are provably supported by the west and supplied with foreign fighters.

 Does the UK have any legal right to be involved in Syria under international law?

 Have any of the UK's military involvements in the middle east improved the life's of the people that didn't want them there in the first place?

 I've just realised how long this could go on. I'll shut up now.

 

 You've answered a question with a question again, those questions don't answer mine either.

Saint or sinner posted this 2 days ago

Originally posted by Barry Sanchez

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

 Who's historically killed more innocent people for influence in the middle east, Russia or the UK?

 Is there evidence that Russia funds, arms and gives tactical support to known foreign jihadists(who sends them)?

I'll buy a drink for anyone that can name all the terrorist groups in Syria, that are provably supported by the west and supplied with foreign fighters.

 Does the UK have any legal right to be involved in Syria under international law?

 Have any of the UK's military involvements in the middle east improved the life's of the people that didn't want them there in the first place?

 I've just realised how long this could go on. I'll shut up now.

 

 You've answered a question with a question again, those questions don't answer mine either.

  It's just a few general questions, that's all(bit like my first post). If you feel it's your duty to defend the faith, go for it.

 See if you can answer any of the questions while you're at it.

 Here's one more question. If the source of nearly all the western msm media are so trustworthy, why, when invited to receive an award(Oscar or something), was their leader denied a visa because he was classed as a terrorist?

 

Barry Sanchez posted this 2 days ago

What faith?

 

I only try to see agenda's, thats where the truth is not a proxy war propping up a tyrant, people are genuinely falling for this did they/didn't they shit and missing the picture totally.

Why are Russia propping up Assad?

What have they got to gain from it?

 

The chemical attack is simply a distraction, a side piece.

 

Anything in the news concerning the Crimea lately?

The Donbass?

The answer to your question is I don't know but in the great scheme of things its about as important as a fence post in space.

Barry Sanchez posted this 2 days ago

Originally posted by Saint or sinner

 Who's historically killed more innocent people for influence in the middle east, Russia or the UK?

 Is there evidence that Russia funds, arms and gives tactical support to known foreign jihadists(who sends them)?

I'll buy a drink for anyone that can name all the terrorist groups in Syria, that are provably supported by the west and supplied with foreign fighters.

 Does the UK have any legal right to be involved in Syria under international law?

 Have any of the UK's military involvements in the middle east improved the life's of the people that didn't want them there in the first place?

 I've just realised how long this could go on. I'll shut up now.

 

 I wouldn't know.

 

I wouldn't know.

 

No one would know that.

 

Grey area but probably not without a united consensus.

 

No.

Goatboy posted this 2 days ago

Originally posted by Barry Sanchez

Originally posted by Cobham Saint

Where's the proof it wasn't a staged event. Your arguments are circular Barry. 

Maybe leave it until some sort of international consensus is reached 

Oh, that isn't going to happen any time soon is it? lou_facepalm2

 Why are the Russians in Syria?

Why have they provided air missile defence systems?

Russia is doing Syria's bidding so they can remain in the region and have influence, they're murdering so they can have influence.

Argue against that.

 Russia was invited by the Syrian government. Were the US? UK? 

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Goatboy posted this 2 days ago

Originally posted by Barry Sanchez

Originally posted by Goatboy

You do realise who the Syrian Army/ Russian Army are fighting against don't you Barry?

Do you believe the version of events told by Al Qaeda/Nusra/whatever other wahhabist 'terrorist' group?

I know they're backed by US/UK etc but do you trust their picture of events despite it being strongly contested by Pulitzer prize winning investigative journalists with decades of experience in the Middle East?

If you were a betting man where would you put your money?

 Its a proxy war, no one gives a shite about Syria its just happens to be the arena for Iran/Saudi/Russia and the US, throw in a few nations with interests in the area namely a lot and its going to get muddy, are the Russia capable? Yes. Are the Syrians? Yes.

Have they done this before?

Russians yes.

Syrians yes.

UK yes.

US yes.

 

Where is the proof this was a staged event?

Evidence is mounting. Where is the proof that it was genuine? Oh that's right, we've bombed the shit out of the alleged crime scene.

The Syrian regime is killing 100,000's and being held there by Russia and their veto, we can talk about that as well if you want?

What?

Or the journalists you mention and their agendas? Who do they write for?

Fisk: The Independent. Awards:

Fisk has received the British Press Awards' International Journalist of the Year seven times,[38] and twice won its "Reporter of the Year" award.[39] He also received Amnesty International UK Media Awards in 1992 for his report "The Other Side of the Hostage Saga",[40] in 1998 for his reports from Algeria[41] and again in 2000 for his articles on the NATO air campaign against the FRY in 1999.[42]

Pilger: independent documentary maker. Awards: 

  • 1966: Descriptive Writer of the Year
  • 1967: Journalist of the Year
  • 1970: International Reporter of the Year
  • 1974: News Reporter of the Year
  • 1978: Campaigning Journalist of the Year
  • 1978: Journalist of the Year
  • 1990: Richard Dimbleby Award for factual reporting, BAFTA Awards[6]
  • 2011: Grierson Trust Award, UK[103]
  • 2017: Order of Timor-Leste[104]

Hersch. The NewYorker (amongst others). Awards:

His journalism and publishing awards include the 1970 Pulitzer Prize, the 2004 National Council of Teachers of English George Orwell Award for Distinguished Contribution to Honesty and Clarity in Public Language, two National Magazine Awards, 5 George Polk Awards - making him that award's most honored laureate - and more than a dozen other prizes for investigative reporting:

  • 1969: George Polk Special Award (for his My Lai reporting)
  • 1970: Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting
  • 1973: George Polk Award for Investigative Reporting; Scripps-Howard Public Service Award; Sidney Hillman Award
  • 1974: George Polk Award for National Reporting
  • 1981: George Polk Award for National Reporting
  • 1983: National Book Critics Circle Award and Los Angeles Times Book Prize for The Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House
  • 2003: National Magazine Award for Public Interest for his articles "Lunch with the Chairman", "Selective Intelligence", and "The Stovepipe"
  • 2004: following Hersh's 2004 articles in the New Yorker magazine exposing the Abu Ghraib scandal: National Magazine Award for Public Interest, Overseas Press Club Award, National Press Foundation's Kiplinger Distinguished Contributions to Journalism Award, and his fifth George Polk Award
  • 2017: Sam Adams Award for Integrity[71]

Honestly Barry? Good luck trying to damn them with your agenda nonsense.

 

Why is Russia helping Assad?

To counter US/UK/Saudi aggression at the behest of the legitimate Syrian Government?

 

Those are the questions that need to be answered.

 

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Goatboy posted this 2 days ago - Last edited 2 days ago

Incidentally Bazza, why are you keen to swallow wholesale the writings of Tim Marshall as Gospel but nobody else? Is it because you haven't read them or are just contrary? Did you ask what Marshall's agenda is?

gavstar posted this 2 days ago

Originally posted by Barry Sanchez

The answer to your question is I don't know but in the great scheme of things its about as important as a fence post in space.

 I understand Elon Musk is currently working on this. 

Barry Sanchez posted this 2 days ago

Originally posted by Goatboy

Incidentally Bazza, why are you keen to swallow wholesale the writings of Tim Marshall as Gospel but nobody else? Is it because you haven't read them or are just contrary? Did you ask what Marshall's agenda is?

 Ha Ha I haven't, there are a number of geo political books I've read and they all don't really paint Russia in a good light, why would they?

 

A legitimate Government? Ask the Kurds, why haven't the UN intervened then? Barrel bombs from helicopters? You have a very very selective memory, the civil war didn't start by the UK did it? Why did it start?

 

You haven't really answered the question of Russia's involvement in propping up a dictator, lovely copy and paste though.

Goatboy posted this 2 days ago - Last edited 2 days ago

Originally posted by Barry Sanchez

Originally posted by Goatboy

Incidentally Bazza, why are you keen to swallow wholesale the writings of Tim Marshall as Gospel but nobody else? Is it because you haven't read them or are just contrary? Did you ask what Marshall's agenda is?

 Ha Ha I haven't, there are a number of geo political books I've read and they all don't really paint Russia in a good light, why would they?

 

A legitimate Government? Ask the Kurds, why haven't the UN intervened then? Barrel bombs from helicopters? You have a very very selective memory, the civil war didn't start by the UK did it? Why did it start?

 

You haven't really answered the question of Russia's involvement in propping up a dictator, lovely copy and paste though.

 Bazza there is so much bollocks in this post that I really can't be arsed anymore.

Barry Sanchez posted this 2 days ago

Go on.

Goatboy posted this 2 days ago

Barry Sanchez posted this yesterday

I agree with Hitchens, I like Hitchens and he has no idea what happened, I haven't condoned the bombings, I have said what are the Russians doing backing up the Syrians, you still haven't answered.

Goatboy posted this yesterday

Originally posted by Barry Sanchez

I agree with Hitchens, I like Hitchens and he has no idea what happened, I haven't condoned the bombings, I have said what are the Russians doing backing up the Syrians, you still haven't answered.

 Yes I have. They were invited by the Syrian government in order to counter us supported terrorist groups. Why did Russia accept? I'm sure there are plenty of reasons including securing their sphere of influence in an area where they have been involved for over a century.

Arguing with you is like wrestling a particularly shit blancmange bazza.

Now I've answered your question, how can you smear the journalists I mentioned as agenda driven fake news without ever having read them?

Same as saying players aren' t trying without watching the game?