Tebbit test on full view

At the cricket…

come dine with me, yesterday, was from Wales. Two of the 4 spoke welsh. One was born in wales to English parents and said he didn’t feel Welsh and wasn’t bothered about speaking welsh but knew some basics. I watched this wondering what peoples reaction would be if this was a second generation Asian person saying this about England and English.

Wouldn’t have a clue, I wonder if he lives in a mixed area,is he govened by cultural rule or religion? I supposed they didn’t cover that over desserts…

And to finish that happens now, you simply haven’t been to these places, I have been to places in England where English is the 2nd language but there we go, you must have lived in a bubble.

Don’t tell me where I’ve been please, Barry.

I’m not but I guess a larder. I assuming you’ve never been to Glodwick, you’ve been to Portswood and are now a guru on current and religious affairs…

Wow, you’ve got it spot on! Well done, you’re amazing!

I probably have it closer than you like to think as it goes against your personal view, mine is speak as you find and fuck religion, whats yours gummy?

Barry, what do you want to happen to these people supporting Pakistan and failing the Tebbit test?

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A follow up question. If you moved to America, Bazza, would you support the US national team? Would you let your kids support them? Or your grandkids?

I wouldn’t but my children I hope would of course why not? Do you expect them to pay pilgrimage to England? Its like southerners who say their dad is from Scotland Road hence thats why they support LIverpool and no one claims to ever have been born in Rochdale.

Culture and religion are two seperate things but people like to mix them up though their own ignorance and worse side stepping the issue.

Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez

I wouldn’t but mychildren I hope would of course why not? Do you expect them to pay pilgimage to England? Its like southerners who say their dad is from Scotland Road hence thats why they support LIverpool and no one claims to ever have been born in Rochdale.

Culture and religion are two seperate things but people like to mix them up though their own ignorance and worse side stepping the issue.

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You must ifnd an awful lot of bollocks on your day-to-day travels.

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Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez

Culture and religion are two seperate things but people like to mix them up though their own ignorance and worse side stepping the issue.

Originally posted by Barry Sanchez

What happens now is religion defenders abstain from any resposibility and say this a cultural issue and not a religious one, the two are inextricably linked

Which of these statements do you believe, Barry? You posted both of them.

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I find loads of bollocks and people prepared to look the other way yes, yes I do, they get confused when you mention religion and not a colour of a person, stonethrowers.

Yes, I believe you when you say you speak as you find.

I certainly do, I couldn’t give a shite what colour you are its what comes out your mouth, so if thats racsim, sexism and homophobia in the name if any false God, or any God to be honest then you’re an arsehole.

Anyway goodnight.

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Ummm maybe slightly different as English is the main langugae in Wales is it not, Only 27% on the Welsh population have Welsh language skills!!

TBH I couldn’t give a toss if a person of Pakistani heritage supported Pakistan rather than England.

My kids support the England football team although they have lived overseas virtually all their lives.

admittedly the Philippine natonal team is not very good, but then you couldn’t accuse them of glory hunting by supporting England.

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They would fail Barry’s test, as would Barry on the hypothetical emigration to the United States.

Which all goes to show what a load of divisive nonsense the Tebbit test was to begin with. The aim, both then and now, is to demonstrate that one group of people is not like us. If these people don’t like the same cricket team as you do, laddy, what happens when push comes to shove?

It’s outdated fear of the other bollocks. We all know people that support different national football teams yet would still, oddly, have our backs. Barry is of course free to make the argument.

Thanks for demonstrating that it is beaten by an Englishman not wanting his kids to support the Philippines national team. Of course, Barry could be entirely correct, your love of England could make you the enemy within. Don’t think it’s that likely tho :lou_wink_2:

This was a point made, eventually, by the Welsh born Englishman. However, it was something that the Welsh farmer on the show felt very strongly about. He said that is people wanted to live in Wales they should speak Welsh. To me, he was the equivalent of the SWF brigade and it was this that got me thinking as to what people would say if the skin colour and background was a little different.

Moving to another country does not make you a citizen of that country and I don’t see why you should relinquish any feelings of love and support for your country and their national teams. Presumably this is quite often passed on to children so why shouldn’t 2nd generation people or even 3rd or 4th or whatever support the team they want to. What difference does it make?

on a completely different point, I was driving back from my dads house today and on the radio they were talking about the Nice attack. The reporter was saying that the people of southern France were a strong bunch. I just thought…what? They’re people. How can you take a group of people who live in one place and give them all the same characteristic? I hate that. It’s bullshit. People are people and people are individuals.