The 2016 close season transfers thread

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Fatso posted this 12 September 2016

reasonably interesting analysis of fans feelings about their team and players.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37317980

this is the comment about saints:

Fans were delighted with the strength in goal, giving a 96% approval rating. However, while stopping goals might be in good hands, there was concern over scoring them.

Most fans picked a formation with two strikers - and gave a 60% approval rating for the first striker and just 42% for the second; fans clearly wishing they had at least one more striker on the books, and many wanting two more.

Dubai_Phil posted this 17 September 2016

I have to assume that Councillor Pope is a skate. Or at least has soemthing against youngsters getting work experience

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3793529/Southampton-accused-failing-comply-minimum-wage-laws-advertising-job-6-50-hour.html

So the club advertise a vacancy in the Ticket Office saying salary from X in case younger people want to apply and the skate takes action against the club.

Still, it's your money he's wasting in the investigation....

(Note I have nothing against Minimum Wage Legislation, yet if someone is acting within the rules how can you then report them AND earn pubilicity from it?)

Southampton have been accused of failing to comply with minimum wage legislation.

The Premier League club have been reported to the tax office (HMRC) and Southampton City Council by Andrew Pope, an independent councillor in the south coast city.

Cllr Pope's complaint relates to an advert on the club's own website in July this year for a job in the ticket office at a rate of £6.50 per hour which was the minimum wage rate in 2014. This year it is £7.20.

 

Southampton have been accused of failing to comply with compulsory minimum wage laws

 

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Southampton refute the allegations and say they expect to comply with a minimum wage audit recently undertaken at the club.

The club told Sportsmail this particular job was a casual position advertised at '£6.50 or above depending on the national minimum wage' because the job may have appealed to young people and the national minimum wage for those under the age of 21 is set at £5.30.

'With the eye-watering amounts paid to players, bolstered by the recent massive TV deal, football clubs should be paying the real living wage to all staff,' said councillor Pope, who is a fierce campaigner on minimum wage issues.

The Premier League pledged in 2015 that all clubs would pay the Living Wage Foundation rate

'That would demonstrate that they care about local people and local communities. But they aren't.

'To add to Blackpool and Brighton being named and shamed by HMRC, we have evidence to suggest clubs are not even paying the legal minimum wage, let alone the real living wage.

'So we have asked HMRC to investigate Southampton FC with evidence we have provided, and we will be doing the same for other football clubs that appear to be flouting the law.'

 

The Premier League club have been reported to HMRC by councillor Andrew Pope

Although the Government set the minimum wage at £7.20 for overs 25s, the figure recommended by the Living Wage Foundation is actually an hourly rate of £9.40 in London and £8.25 elsewhere.

The Premier League pledged in March last year that all its clubs would pay the rate defined by the Living Wage Foundation to all their full-time staff from the start of this season, when the new £8billion broadcasting right deal came into force.

The job at Southampton was a casual role and so not obliged to be covered by this pledge.

 

Chelsea became the first Premier League club to meet the standards required for Living Wage Foundation accreditation in 2014.

Last month, Blackpool and Brighton were named by the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy for a failure to comply with minimum wage legislation based on information from HMRC.

Both Blackpool and Brighton claimed the discrepancies were in relation to only one employee. HMRC will not discuss individual cases.

HM Revenue & Customs said in a statement: 'HMRC follows up every complaint of minimum wage abuse. All businesses — irrespective of their size or sector — are responsible for paying the correct minimum wage to staff.' 


 

Rallyboy posted this 17 September 2016

I have looked at two Mail stories this morning - I feel dirty.

Their other story was just as pointless, suggesting Wiggins has something to hide.

When you read the detail it was a load of shock horror bollocks.

Much like this one.

CB Saint posted this 17 September 2016

Originally posted by Dubai_Phil

I have to assume that Councillor Pope is a skate. Or at least has soemthing against youngsters getting work experience

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3793529/Southampton-accused-failing-comply-minimum-wage-laws-advertising-job-6-50-hour.html

So the club advertise a vacancy in the Ticket Office saying salary from X in case younger people want to apply and the skate takes action against the club.

Still, it's your money he's wasting in the investigation....

(Note I have nothing against Minimum Wage Legislation, yet if someone is acting within the rules how can you then report them AND earn pubilicity from it?)

Southampton have been accused of failing to comply with minimum wage legislation.

The Premier League club have been reported to the tax office (HMRC) and Southampton City Council by Andrew Pope, an independent councillor in the south coast city.

Cllr Pope's complaint relates to an advert on the club's own website in July this year for a job in the ticket office at a rate of £6.50 per hour which was the minimum wage rate in 2014. This year it is £7.20.

 

Southampton have been accused of failing to comply with compulsory minimum wage laws

 

Share

Southampton refute the allegations and say they expect to comply with a minimum wage audit recently undertaken at the club.

The club told Sportsmail this particular job was a casual position advertised at '£6.50 or above depending on the national minimum wage' because the job may have appealed to young people and the national minimum wage for those under the age of 21 is set at £5.30.

'With the eye-watering amounts paid to players, bolstered by the recent massive TV deal, football clubs should be paying the real living wage to all staff,' said councillor Pope, who is a fierce campaigner on minimum wage issues.

The Premier League pledged in 2015 that all clubs would pay the Living Wage Foundation rate

'That would demonstrate that they care about local people and local communities. But they aren't.

'To add to Blackpool and Brighton being named and shamed by HMRC, we have evidence to suggest clubs are not even paying the legal minimum wage, let alone the real living wage.

'So we have asked HMRC to investigate Southampton FC with evidence we have provided, and we will be doing the same for other football clubs that appear to be flouting the law.'

 

The Premier League club have been reported to HMRC by councillor Andrew Pope

Although the Government set the minimum wage at £7.20 for overs 25s, the figure recommended by the Living Wage Foundation is actually an hourly rate of £9.40 in London and £8.25 elsewhere.

The Premier League pledged in March last year that all its clubs would pay the rate defined by the Living Wage Foundation to all their full-time staff from the start of this season, when the new £8billion broadcasting right deal came into force.

The job at Southampton was a casual role and so not obliged to be covered by this pledge.

 

Chelsea became the first Premier League club to meet the standards required for Living Wage Foundation accreditation in 2014.

Last month, Blackpool and Brighton were named by the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy for a failure to comply with minimum wage legislation based on information from HMRC.

Both Blackpool and Brighton claimed the discrepancies were in relation to only one employee. HMRC will not discuss individual cases.

HM Revenue & Customs said in a statement: 'HMRC follows up every complaint of minimum wage abuse. All businesses — irrespective of their size or sector — are responsible for paying the correct minimum wage to staff.' 

 

 More like the minimum wage issue is a hot topic and this bloke thinks he can raise his profile by attacking a high profile target.

 

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lifeintheslowlane posted this 07 November 2016

Originally posted by Fatso

the Croydon advertiser reckons we're going to bid for Cabaye

 ...and when Cowman was manager every media outlet thought we were going for every Dutch international...available or not.

Fatso posted this 07 November 2016

yes but this is the Croydon advertiser. They are world renowned for football news.

pap posted this 02 December 2016

Blimey.   Not Saints related anymore, but apparently both West Brom and Everton are interested in an unwanted Schneiderlin.

Eight years a beautiful journey ruined by one bad move :)

Fuck's sake, mush.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/12/01/everton-west-brom-launch-battle-sign-man-utd-outcast-morgan/

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TheMightyOstrich posted this 02 December 2016

Originally posted by pap

Blimey.   Not Saints related anymore, but apparently both West Brom and Everton are interested in an unwanted Schneiderlin.

Eight years a beautiful journey ruined by one bad move :)

Fuck's sake, mush.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/12/01/everton-west-brom-launch-battle-sign-man-utd-outcast-morgan/

 Imagine if he went to West Brom! Fucking hell!

pap posted this 02 December 2016

It'll be yet another cautionary tale in an already storied history.

Beattie, Lambert, Shaw, Schneiderlin.

If Morgs genuinely wanted to come back and had the right attitude (Bertrand/Cork) then I'd welcome him back with open arms.  However, if he felt in anyway that it was a step back instead of a homecoming, we should steer clear.

Genuinely something for Saints to consider at some point.  He's not shit.  He's just in a shit situation.

 

Rallyboy posted this 02 December 2016

I feel we may have moved on...

We've not seen anything of him - imagine buying back Gaston or Jayrod based on potential.

Nah, move on, I fear Man Utd have broken him.

Our fault, we keep selling players but rarely include the user manual.

Lovren is a great player, but only if you have the instructions.

Ditto Shaw, Chambers, Wanyama, Clyne, the Ox.

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Fowllyd posted this 02 December 2016

I'm with RB on this. Before the season started I'd have taken Morgan back any day of the week, but now Romeu's taken that role (he's like a more physical version of Morgan, or a more adept Wanyama). Not sure that Morgan and Oriol would work playing alongside each other, and anyway we have excellent alternatives with Clasie, Hojbjerg and JWP, who's definitely stepped up a few notches.

Rallyboy posted this 02 December 2016

We missed Morgan when he first went, we haven't missed Wanyama at all - we are okay in that dept.

He'll enjoy West Brom.

Sfcsim posted this 02 December 2016

Originally posted by pap

It'll be yet another cautionary tale in an already storied history.

Beattie, Lambert, Shaw, Schneiderlin.

If Morgs genuinely wanted to come back and had the right attitude (Bertrand/Cork) then I'd welcome him back with open arms.  However, if he felt in anyway that it was a step back instead of a homecoming, we should steer clear.

Genuinely something for Saints to consider at some point.  He's not shit.  He's just in a shit situation.

 

 Yeah but the real reason why they all moved (bar lambert) was more money.... that is what they have got, but that's all. On the field a lot worse off!

CB Saint posted this 02 December 2016

I think Shaw has been unlucky - he had a dodgy first year because of weight issues and the way LVG handled that. Apparently Saints even told Man U that they should put Shaw in with a family so that he would get fed properly, however the Mancs knew best, let him get his own place and Shaw promptly moved in next to Nando's.

He was going great guns at the start of last season until he had that horrifc leg break, which has set him back again. Now the special one is giving him some grief.

Amazing to think he is still only 21

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lifeintheslowlane posted this 02 December 2016

Originally posted by Sfcsim

Originally posted by pap

It'll be yet another cautionary tale in an already storied history.

Beattie, Lambert, Shaw, Schneiderlin.

If Morgs genuinely wanted to come back and had the right attitude (Bertrand/Cork) then I'd welcome him back with open arms.  However, if he felt in anyway that it was a step back instead of a homecoming, we should steer clear.

Genuinely something for Saints to consider at some point.  He's not shit.  He's just in a shit situation.

 

 Yeah but the real reason why they all moved (bar lambert) was more money.... that is what they have got, but that's all. On the field a lot worse off!

 Mmmm...poor little rich boys...I try not to get too upset.

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Fowllyd posted this 02 December 2016

Originally posted by Sfcsim

Originally posted by pap

It'll be yet another cautionary tale in an already storied history.

Beattie, Lambert, Shaw, Schneiderlin.

If Morgs genuinely wanted to come back and had the right attitude (Bertrand/Cork) then I'd welcome him back with open arms.  However, if he felt in anyway that it was a step back instead of a homecoming, we should steer clear.

Genuinely something for Saints to consider at some point.  He's not shit.  He's just in a shit situation.

 

 Yeah but the real reason why they all moved (bar lambert) was more money.... that is what they have got, but that's all. On the field a lot worse off!

I think that's only part of the picture. Most if not all of those who've left have joined bigger clubs, where they expected a better chance of winning trophies, gaining international recognition and so forth than they thought they'd get by staying here. I'm sure they all got more money as well, but it's overly simplistic to say that was the sole reason for their departures.

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