Wages going up due to Brexit

IF.

Others are prepared, trained, experienced OR willing enough to do the work.

End of the day if UK doesn’t have enough trained Nurses now many EU nationals are leaving it doesn’t matter what the salary is UNTIL the new ones get out of training.

Well if it is open season shall I post a new Brexit thread every day as no progress is being made?

Even if people disagree on stuff surely it’s better to keep it under one roof so the rest of the forum members don’t have to get bored to death with it?

Or it might tempt back to the profession those who have previously left

No

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Off topic or whatever, but I’ve been hanging out with a lot of nurses and whatnot cos of my Situation, and I was surprised to observe what a good gig it is, I mean from an outsider working in construction. I had understood from media that it was a terrible, underpaid, thankless fkn game to get into.

I see a lot of upside though. The pay & benefits ain’t bad, you only have to work four days a week, you get moved up the pay scale every year even if ur not very good, if you ever want to earn any more it’s no problem you can just log onto an app on your phone and instantly secure overtime at even better rates. Think they call it “Bank” or something. It seems a pretty good gig!

If I had a child, and to be fair I pretty soon will, I would definitely advise them to get into nursing rather than i.e. retail or i.e. construction, if those were the options. It seems sad to me that Young People prob ain’t going into it cos of how it’s portrayed.

You could, and that might be interesting. Who says there has been no progress, BTW? Ze Germans?

But I thought you sold Whoppers after you constructed them?

Dont you want the cub to follow you in the family trade?

Although having a nurse in the family could be good to look after you in your dotage.

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But we havent Brexited yet have we? Or am I missing something?

It is also bloody hard to get sacked unless you pull an Allitt/Shipman.

Woohoo! Now watch the prices go up.

And the Pound to drop llike a stone pushing import prices up and inflation and and and.

But then the Pound is down and peeps will realise they can buy a Rolls Royce for about US$450 and so you will earn lots and lots of money which will go into the tax havens of the Asians that already own all your Equity

Evidently. The part where people decide it’s no longer worth making an Eastern European fortune off our minimum wage.

Good news indeed, if it lasts. Then again, wages for most couldn’t get any lower, so it may be slightly deceiving.

I do worry it’s just a “golden glow” moment before our demise.

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Fantastic to put a score on your understanding of the issues, AG.

Mwah, smiley face, etc.

I’ve been getting into David Goodhart’s book, The Road to Somewhere, which attempts to explain some of the factors that led to our exit from the EU. He’s behind the two terms “somewhere” and “anywhere” in relation to how people are split. Goodhart goes to some length to say very few people are totally one or the other. Most are a bit of both, on different issues.

Somewheres are people that like to live close to where they were born, and have a deep attachment to their communities and ways of life, defined by their relationships with it. Anywheres tend to be university educated, and tend to have “achieved identities” that are specific to them, not where they are.

Goodhart reckons that a few things put us on the road to Brexit. First, he reckons that the expansion of the higher education sector has been a huge influence. Prior to Ken Clarke’s wholesale conversion of Polytechnics to Universities, the tradition of boarding for your education was largely confined to the Russell Group Universities. Polys tended to focus on teaching vocational skills to the local population.

This, along with the destruction of the Apprenticeships scheme in the 1980s and 90s. made University the only real game in town. It’s perhaps no surprise that we’ve gone from 15% of people going to University, to around 48% today. All but the poorest kids board (there has actually been a reduction in boarding amongst the less affluent). Goodhart doesn’t argue that University necessarily cuts you off from your old barrio, but it does bring you into contact with a much wider world, which gets those Anywhere tendencies going.

We’ve blundered into a situation where just over half the country doesn’t go to University, compounded by the fact that the The Somewheres that do stay put and look for work are up shite street. Most middle skilled jobs have gone, employers. who used to believe it was part of their societal role to provide apprenticeships say they can’t or won’t do them now. They’re competing for low-skilled work with not only Europeans, but also graduates who’ve had difficulty turning their degree qualifications into corporate gold.

Its OK @pap you just carry on believing what you want and insinuating what makes you feel superior -I am happy for ya

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So what you’re saying is that because 48% go to Uni, 52% of the nation are thick and will be replaced by AI even after the Immigrants stealing their low paid jobs have gone home.

Yep, I can see that argument.

Now what %age voted Brexit?

I don’t think I was saying that, exactly, When it’s just 15% of people not going to University, there’s no stigma about not going, less overflow of graduates into non-graduate work, less sneering about the manual but essential jobs that people get paid to do,

Automation is a case in point. Labour has been so cheap and flexible that we’re not as far along as our French cousins on the issue. As I said in the Rise of the Machines thread, automation in and of itself won’t be a good deal without a redefined social contract. Besides, those robots are going to need to be researched, supplied for, built, marketed, distributed, sold and serviced.

That will not replace all the minimum wage, but will start to replace some of the more technical jobs that were lost. Do it right, and we may be able to make up the gap with countries that have no compunction with automation, or throwing huge amounts of dirt cheap labour at a problem as they do in the Far East. As usual, we’re nowhere near where we need to be on the issue, either in terms of thinking about the social impact or getting it implemented.

Many Leave voters chose out for precisely the same reason you’re concerned about automation, You’re undoubtedly concerned about the paid opportunities taken off the job market, existing wages devalued, terms and conditions weakened, scales tipped further in the direction of big business. When Tony Blair decided to waive the seven year wait for newly acceded Eastern European countries, a million Eastern Europeans moved here in the first two years to work, they took opportunities off the market.

Surveys reckon that only about 7% of the population is racist. Most Leave voters that voted along immigration lines are therefore anti mass immigration, not anti-immigrant. Blair can bleat as much as he wants about how we got it all wrong, but it was his cynical, ideologically motivated decision that put the United Kingdom on the path to Brexit. The British public has been largely very accommodating. We’ve all got Agnieska’s and Tomasz’ in our lives, and we’re better for it. That never meant it would remain blind to the downsides, especially when it was so apparent in the pay packet.