What Has Happened to Southampton

Somebody on saintslist highlighted this article, not read it yet but others who have say it’s a good read.

I’ve had a fascination with Southampton since they came back to the Premier League. Maybe it’s due to having replaced their manager year upon year without any tremendous signs of decline in team performance. Maybe it’s due to the hilarity of Liverpool constantly poaching their players over the years for huge sums of money. Maybe it’s due to having a good track record of selling high on players when the opportunity arises. Whatever it is, Southampton continue to be an interesting team and this year is no exception.


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Does anyone share my view that much of the ambition left with Cortese, simmered for a couple of years and then is finally devolving into this?

With the benefit of hindsight, a monied Cortese, a motivated Pochettino and well compensated players looks like a pretty good combination, if that was his vision,

As much as we might hate them now, I think both Poch and Koeman might have stayed if they were convinced we could match their ambition. They were not and other teams have reaped the rewards of their expertise.

We all know that we’re a gambling club, but maybe we’ve made the wrong gambles since Cortese’s departure, and we’ve folded winning hands we perhaps could have kept if we’d been prepared to put the chips down.

I blame Les Reed.

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If I say anything it’ll be seized upon, an article about it and fuck me it gets taken seriously.

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Just speculating, Bazza - but I’m guessing it’s because the author organised thoughts into a coherent narrative and backed views up with evidence.

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So you’re saying we can only post fact on here?

If thats the case you’ll have a fucking small forum.

Nah, just as in all cases, speculation is best backed by justification.

No one is stopping you from posting speculation, with or without the justification the article provided,

People like the justification though, which is why this bloke is getting more love than Bazza.

There was no reason we couldn’t have won the league when we were top under Poch in that December.

Apart from none of us believing it could be done.

So Leicester showed us.

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Ambition is great but paying for it is another matter. We are currently compensating players to the maximum of our ability (from my understanding anyway).

PL player salary costs.

FFP explained.

The second link shows how we can only increase our player salary outlay by 4m a year (unless we massively increase commercial income). Our wage bill has increased from 29m in 2012 to 64m in 2017. All the clubs (WHUFC aside) we have lost our best players to, have a wages expenditure at least double ours. Leicester have massively increased their wage bill in the last couple of years as there is no limit if combined salaries are under 60m, they will likely now struggle to maintain that wage bill (and subsequently keep hold of their best players) without further hope of European football.

I am probably easily pleased, but I don’t think things are too bad.

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Fuck it you know what. I love Saints and I love football. We are in the premier (best 20 teams in the whole of England & Wales). We reached a cup final, we played in the San Siro.

Saying all this we played in league 1 with minus 10 points lost to teams like Rochdale and Carlisle, but I enjoyed those seasons just as much, if not more in some parts.

I enjoyed the relegation battles when at The Dell, even though they killed me at the time, the nerves the pain in 2005, the joy when we stayed up at in the late 80’s and 90’s. Loved those seasons looking back and some of the football was terrible.

We will get relegated again one day and things will get much worse than they are now. Cannot see them getting much better, than they have been.

What I am saying is apart from your top teams all the others are going to be up and down, good seasons, great seasons, average seasons and terrible seasons, but this is football for the majority. You enjoy the good times if you have been through the shit for years.

Whatever league we play in, no matter who we complain about (game of opinions) we love Saints and we always will. It would be plain and boring if we all had the same opinions and ideas on how Saints should be run. It is interesting the whole football chit chat.

One thing is for sure, we all want the best for Saints, but we are pretty good. Almost the best of the rest and I would have taken that in the late 80’s or early 90’s and will probably bite your hand off in the future for that again!

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D’ya know what has happened?

We’ve all got older

That’s it…

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You’ve probably got a point. I get the impression that Corteze was a ‘winner’ in his previous life in the banking world (or something like that I recall). He was probably not used to settling and accepting a lower seat in the pecking order. He entered a new industry/market and had every intention of conquering it. In the relative sense at least.

Quite easy though when it’s not your money. He certainly had ambition and wanted to challenge the big boys. How sustainable that would have been for a club of our size is not clear but I doubt it would have worked out.

People are quite quick to point towards us being hamstrung by FFP but that’s too easy a get out for me. Where there’s a will there’s a way. And rich folk always find loopholes in the system to further their fortunes and agendas. I highly doubt football is in any way different. If Katharina wanted to pump more of HER money in to the club she could easily do so without falling foul of FFP. The bottom line is she doesn’t want to. She probably fucking hates football. And that’s fine. I do sometimes as well!

Take Man City as an example. As crazy as it may sound, I don’t perceive them to be a MASSIVE club. I remember them being relegated about 15 years ago and being disastrously owned by the crooked Thai bloke. In my opinion there is no way their turnover is sufficient to make their outgoings acceptable to FFP. They hardly ever sell a player for significant money. Most of their aging players are happy to retire on the bench and in the reserves and collect their disgusting salaries.

If my research is correct (happy to proven wrong) then Man City are owned by a bloke who also happens to be the deputy prime minister and member of the ruling family of the UAE. City’s club sponsor is Etihad. Etihad just so happen to be owned by the government of the UAE. Bearing in mind their political system is far removed from our own… in my mind, albeit simplistically, he is essentially sponsoring himself. That must be a fun negotiation when discussing how much stadium sponsorship is worth. He’s probably the only one needed to be in the room. So he can sell the sponsorship rights to himself for as much as he needs to be able to spend. A closed economy of sorts. I’m no economist so there’s every chance that’s factually inaccurate in some/every way. But to my mind it explains how City exploded on to the scene. Sure, they’ve had a few fines along the way for breaches but that hasn’t stopped them.

What I will say is that if there is no underhandedness or corruption in that little arrangement then I’m a monkey’s uncle. And with such reputable governing bodies such as FIFA on hand to regulate then surely anything is possible.

Professional football is the living and breathing embodiment of capitalism. Disproportionate distribution of wealth and rotten to the core. If they truly wanted to make the league more competitive then salary and spending caps would be instilled and then it would be over to the managers and coaches to earn their corn. Maybe we need a socialist premier league? Ha.

Anyway, I digress…back to Saints. I’m pretty sure if she wanted to rename St Mary’s 'The Liebherr stadium" and ‘pay’ the club £100m a year for the advertising privilege and in turn increase the revenue, with the view to spending more as a club on transfers and wages, then she could. She wants it to be sustainable which is fair enough but it also means that she wants to be able to take her eye off it without fear that it’s eating away at her personal fortune. Again, fair enough. This is supported by the fact she’s plotting her exit and is trying to sell. She’s humoured her fathers investment long enough to honour him and his legacy but now she wants out. Again, fair enough. No judgement here, just stating the facts, they rescued us from the brink.

Since Corteze left we have carved out a new strategy to coexist with the big boys and their mega bucks. Sadly for us as fans it is based on regular upheaval of ambitious managers and young playing staff. We truly are the ‘showcase club’. We literally are a shop window of a football club.

Not great for the fans but it allows us to get to have players like VVD for a couple of years rather than old journeymen like John O’Shea who are surplus to requirements at the elite clubs. The main reason I find it frustrating is that we pay to endure the early days of players like Mane and Redmond being pony and then just when they improve and become enjoyable to watch they have ripened and are plucked by the big boys.

The fact that we also sell to and in turn improve the teams of our immediate rivals is also a bitch. Toby and Wanyama have definitely improved Tottenham and Mane has improved Liverpool significantly. Look at the stats with him and without him. Scary. Whoever we sell Bertrand to will improve that side, just look at how many big boys are crying out for a decent left back. No more so than City and our mates from Anfield who are currently playing a right footed central midfielder there.

VVD will improve all and any of them.

The problem with our moneyball model is that there is a lot of gambling involved and at some stage you will invariably lose the bet. I don’t think it is sustainable long term.

The appointment of Puel certainly felt and still feels like a step towards ‘settling’. He doesn’t strike me as hungry and ambitious like the last two managers were and who brought us relative success. He hasn’t job hopped, he has been loyal to clubs. And that is probably exactly why he was attractive to Les. That and his willing to us the academy. That sounds more like a criticism than I intend but hey ho. After MP and RK we all wished for somebody to stick around for more than two years so it’s perhaps a case of be careful what you wish for? Ha, irony.

In terms of the future, I have no clue what direction we are heading in. With ownership issues up in the air it won’t be an uninteresting summer that’s for damn sure.

Apologies for how fucking Long this is!

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Lander Sports takeover is happening next week. They are openly talking about it. For this one moment only I am ITK

You’d better tell Lander quickly then. :lou_lol:

Back this up with some names places dates at least give us something apart from “I am ITK”

Who is openely talking about it because not in front opf me are people openly talking about it.

I am ITK that we will start next season in the premier league (or whatever name it is called by then) but have no facts to back up who will own the club or who the manager will be or what players will be available.

Im sorry I dont have a name yet. My friend has just met with Lander Holdings in shanghai and told me this morning they are buying Saints next week. I replyed, who? and he said Lander Sports Development Co Ltd. It was a trade event. I sent 3 more texts asking about money and he said he had a name but he hasnt replied.

All i can say is my mate ifor 40 years s not making it up

Why would he…he’s just been told by someone else at a Trade Fair. How much “bigging-up” do you get at a Trade Fair…not much I’d bet. :lou_wink_2:

Not long to wait before we know if your friend’s been told a “porkie”

Good luck on take over ITKness @newyorksaint

Simply because I heard last week everyone knows that they won’t get past the PL FPP test BUT that wasn’t an issue as the dawdling Yanks were starting to wake up again.

Love takeover threads :lou_sunglasses:

Yes Ok I take all your comments in the spirit they are ment. I was just over excited about being ITK for once. This is only the 3rd time in 50 years I have been so close to actual first hand information about the club.

  1. Lawrie Mac calling me and my friends thugs {wrongly) due to a bust up with his son

  2. A guy in a room with Rednapp and the Sheff Utd bloke and Woodwood telling me about the dynamic between the art vs science bods in the club. Angry arguements ect

  3. This news from a long time friend saying the take over deal is done from the company doing it.

Thats it

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