It’s amazing how you can read a paragraph and understand it so differently from someone else.
What is Bathsaints supposed agenda? What is Barry’s agenda?
If the 1000 number is over 40 years - which is what I’ve read on some newsites then it well could be. The Jay report suggested that over 16 years in Rochdale there were a conservative estimate of 1400.
“If the town’s experience was replicated across the country, England would have 19,000 children criminally abused by gangs every year. The children’s commissioner thinks that at the moment the figure is about 2,000.” Guardian 2014. So sadly it’s more likely that it’s the higher number because it’s likely to be happening in many places. From my work so far the child sexual exploitation (CSE) I am aware of is from young gang males, who exploit via drug running, initiations and sexual exploitation etc. They are multi ethnicity groups and not older men. It may well be happening locally, I may not be involved in the work.
I know that what has happened has been appalling and children should be safe from any form of abuse in 2018. What I can say is that there are now specialist CSE police teams (I can see the list of young people they are supporting when I go into the office), they work closely with social workers, intelligence /evidemce is being gathered and looked at for patterns.
I still don’t know whether we will answer the thread title but I doubt that’s what was really the agenda here.
We have covered this several times haven’t we?
Unconfortanle truths, we could discuss proportions if you wanted?
Errrrm, that’s Rotherham, which isn’t Telford, and I’ve got an A level in Geography so am officially cleverer than JWP
Yes and it was a reference to the numbers involved that had to be divulged by the BBC going by their recent record of recording.
You mentioned unilad here. Maybe someone thought you read the site or something.
I’ve mentioned Chevy Chase in the past but it doesn’t mean we’ve gone for a beer and talked about National Lampoons, presumptions, I could have got it from the Independent or many others.
Well quote sources and references then Baz?
crazy idea I know… 
Edit: Ideal to idea l
You got there before me.
Maybe a few rules would be helpful i.e. give your source. I think I’ve said the same about using people’s photos make sure they get the recongnition.
Lots on the BBC last night about child abuse in the C of E.
But none about this? You merely prove a point, my point.
Yes there was, the night before I believe.
Really must have missed that, there is also a difference between systematic state/church abuse and muslim grooming gangs being hidden with a community.
Maybe so, but they have reported on both. You say “Muslim gangs.” Does that mean what they are doing is a direct result of their religion?
Possibly for their victims, how many were Muslim? Their culture is as if not more important in this.
Let me get this straight. Are you saying that Islam is the cause of this and if so, is Christianity the cause of child abuse by Protestant and Catholic priests? I havent read the Koran, but I am not sure that it says form gangs and go out and abuse children. I could be wrong though.
If it is a cultural thing, are there gangs of Muslim men all across the world abusing children?
No I haven’t read what I have written, culture and attitude play as an important role as religion, Muslim gangs is lazy yet true because how many are genuinley Muslim? I am technically a Christian but I don’t believe in God so its simply a label, an elastic term if you will.
If you take a Priest, a man and tell him to be celebate, don’t teach him about sex and put him in with children who can not tell, what will happen in some cases? We’re human and religion and people concerned need to take the blame for the abuse, also comminities in which these people operated, I’ve always said and yet to be proved wrong we live convenient parallel lives, tolerance isn’t acceptance.
We are indeed human and therein lies the problem Barry. What about the sex abusers who have nothing to do with religion? It is easy to blame religion or culture for these acts, but havent they been going on forever and certainly before religion as we know it? People with certain provlivities will usualy end up gravitating towards them. Sex abuse, Drug abuse. Violence. Sometimes as individuals, sometimes in gangs. I dont think it is helpful calling them Muslim Sex Gangs, just as it wouldnt be helpful calling the priests Christian Sex Gangs. These people are sexual abusers who either use their environment to carry out these acts or graviate towards that kind of environment because that is where they can get their jollies. Christian priests may not be taught about sex, but whay then abuse children? Why not go after more mature women? Perhaps children are easier targets but would be paying a prostitute be much easier and less likely to get you into trouble (both here and in the afterlife)? I am no expert on Paedeophiles but would imagine that it has more to do with how people are wired than it does religion.
Would it be wiser to call them gangs who don’t target Muslims girls?
Why the need to bring the word “Muslim” into it at all? In which case perhaps we should call Christian abusers gangs who dont target Muslim girls too? This fixation with labels really doesnt help and just builds up resentment between those who have agendas.