a whole bunch of older bros grooming a whole bunch of young girls and passing them round like quality streets, feels worse to me than the normal straight forward rapes that we currently specialise in. Neither is Ideal tho I grant you.
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There are aggravating issue that deal with that within the law Bear.
He is where I struggle. The Asian community is told it needs to do more to deal with the rape gangs. Muslims are told they need to do more to deal with Islamic terrorists. Yet on a daily basis the indigenous “white” population commits rape, sexual assault, murder, gbh, burglary etc on a countrywide scale, yet the rest of us who are ‘the same’ are not held to account for these actions in the way that minority groups are. Grooming isn’t the sole preserve of Asian men, neither is rape. There is no law that says it is worse if rape is committed by an Asian man on a non Asian woman.
This is a minefield…any politician who wanders across it ill-prepared is asking for trouble.
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But that is another issue isn’t it? You’re deflecting, what she said was true so where is the issue? People say well what about Saville? Saville was an opportunist rapist, any colour would do, this is selective systematic abuse of a portion of our population.
Liberals can’t and won’t see this as it messes up with their agenda that all the worlds ills are created by the wasp males.
If we are serious about integration, then lets call these people what they are. A convicted gang of British rapists and groomers.
There is no difference in the crime.
The difference lies in modus operandi.
These were not multiple discrete and opportunist rapes.
These were multiple males, joining forces, operating as one to groom and abuse young girls - often offering (pimping) those girls to other extended members of that group.
That modus operandi has been seen in multiple towns and cities now.
The reason you only heard about the Newcastle prosecutions recently was because there is a media blackout on trials already underway. There could be many more such cells.
This is organised, systemic abuse. It’s not ‘just’ rape or even the acts of a single serial rapist.
Why is the difference important?
Go read my last post. This is not just a matter of telling men it’s wrong to rape. It’s certain communities that need to discuss the problem and educate their males that nobody is deserving of abuse.
Understanding how the crime is committed helps to catch the perpetrators and to stop it happening in future.
Refusing to discuss how the crime is committed perpetuates it.
That is the point that the MP was clumsily and dramatically trying to make.
In terms of scale I’m sure the British Pakistani community should not be held responsible as a whole, and these are simply bad eggs who simply happen to be British Asian.
But try, as we’re proving on this thread, to discuss and prosecute these acts and you run into a brick wall of semanticists and political correctness.
You still dutifully vote for this party though Barry.
How can you possibly complain?
Ahwel.
Just having a look at the statistics quoted in that Guardian article - which of course, were flawless gospel when it came to arguing the point that very few rapists were Pakistani.
“A report for the children’s commissioner in 2012 found there were 1,514 perpetrators. Of these, 545 were white, 415 were Asian and 244 were black. The ethnicity of 21% of perpetrators was not recorded. Attempts to analyse the Asian figure further runs into problems. Just 35 of the 415 Asians are recorded as having Pakistani heritage and thus highly likely to be Muslim, and only five are recorded as being from a Bangladeshi background. The heritage of 366 of the Asian group is not stated in those figures.”
So apparently only 36% of rapists were white.
b-b-but…the UK white population is 87%…?
Looks like we’ve got a major problem not just with Pakistanis, but with non-whites, who are evidently more likely to rape, judging by these statistics.
EDIT: I was going to leave this part out but on second thoughts I should probably make this clear - I’m not seriously arguing that rape is caused, increased or exacerbated by non-white people - I’m just fucking up your source.
There’s something in that maybe. I don’t spose there’s been an article written on them Newcastle cunts which didn’t mention their race or religion, whereas the Yewtree celebrity paedo cunts weren’t being lumped together as “White Christians” in the Headlines, as far as I recall.
Surely if someone is third generation Pakistani, they aren’t Pakistani, they are British?
Which sums up the issue perfectly.
If you didn’t watch this when it was broadcast make time to watch it.
It presents a lot of the background and the difficulties that police and social services faced.
Those girls were badly let down and a lot of what led to the delay in bringing prosecutions is being played out in The Sun, the Labour Party and now here.
We have a major problem with sexual assault. To break it down to ethnic origins is pointless. It is easy to find the common denominator here. It is not ethnic origin, it is gender. Sweden has been recorded as having the highest level of rape in Europe. The majority of these crimes apparently were carried out by men born in Sweden of Swedish parents. To say we have a major problem with a particular ethnic type regarding sexual assault is what you would expect of Donald Trump. We have a problem with sexual assault, and we have a problem with people who want to try and pretend that this problem comes from outside of our cozy little island.
Bollocks, total and utter bollocks.
Please alter this shite, why does Sweden has the highest in Europe, don’t try and be clever.
The argument they’ll give is that Sweden has very soft laws on what constitutes rape - such as having sex with someone that you’ve already had sex with earlier that night whilst they’re sleeping etc. (I’m not defending that btw)
He is muddying the waters knowingly or not, Sweden’s rape laws are totally different to everyone elses and many things there constitute rape hence the higher numbers.
Trampoline and Barry need to consider that the ‘law’ is irrelevent ’ - and I am rather more concerned to see things described as ‘soft’ - sexual assult is sexual asult, even if we happen to live somewhere where some types fall outside the legal definition - any sexual contact without affirmative and positive consent is assult.
I understand Bletch’s Perspective. But when looking to build a stronger community we need to be sensitive. Not in some Bazza ‘bleeding heart liberal way’ but in a more important one.
There is a difficult line to tread, and quite rightly the first concern should be for victims - We need to ensure that there are adequate and appropriate social care networks and resources to support young women who might be vunerable to such grooming - we are failing these children as we did with care home abuse scandals (99% white ‘christian’ males is never mentioned in the headlines) by not providing adequate resources…
Then we need to educate communities - getting the vast majority of those of Pakistanni origin who abide by the laws of this country and are appalled by these actions to help with this and be united in our approaches to education and iradicating this behaviour.
But thirdly we need to to understand that with very public media explosion of this kind, it provides fuel and ammunition to the ignorant and intolerent to try and balme a whole culture, race or religion for a problem… and its this why we maybe need to consider how such criminal activity is publicised… not becaue we are being ‘bleeding heart liberals’ but because of how these crimes can be exploited, twisted and an entire community within our society unjustly blamed and stigmatised for the hideously crimial actions of a minority… We cant let thsoe with more sinister agendas latch onto such hideous crimes and use them in their propaganda
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That’s just lovely, but the victims were put 2nd to cultural sensitivities, what part of this don’t you understand?